2,129 Discussions and CommentsMember since March 22, 2001
I've not really weighed in on this topic
yet. Since mostly I am a visual/visceral person, with watches (and most anything else- art, photographs, even personalities) almost immediately I know if I REALLY like it. Sometimes things will grow on me, but it can take some time.
This was really an amazing thing that IWC offered to do for the collectors- there is no other watch company doing this. And if you don't like it, there is no problem! Just find another IWC that you do like to put on your 'wish-list'. There is surely one that really makes your heart beat faster!
If you do like it, fantastic! We all are happy for you. It is exclusive and special and you will love having it on your wrist.
So, really, we should appreciate the gesture for what it is.
87 Discussions and CommentsMember since Feb. 13, 2007
on the economics...
wondering about those 250 pieces sold to dealers... I have always been told that dealers are forced to buy certain models, in `order` to get a share of normal models. So of course IWC can easily sell 250 of those special DaVinci models to dealers.
For instance a dealer here in Amsterdam was forced by IWC to buy some pink and blue girly DaVinci's. And he knew that those models were never to be sold... The Netherlands doesnt have a market for those blingbling watches.
But permit me to discuss another brand by analogy. The brand, whose name starts with a R, has a steel chronograph that is the same as "money in the bank" the moment the watch is a delivered to its retailer. It sells out instantly and sells for more than list --in fact many dealers reportedly "redistribute" the watch privately. So of course dealers clamor to buy the model --and wouldn't it be great if the dealer could get that model, and only that model, and wouldn't need to `order` several others that take longer to sell?
The fact is that the distributor (or manufacturer, if direct) relationship with its dealers is a two way street. Some dealers of course complain about that (even to customers), and also some manufacturers aren't happy with dealers who only want to cherry pick. But the true relationship --the better and far prevalent relationship-- is as genuine partners.
Now, to bring this to IWC. IWC has some models which dealers really want --the Ref. 5004, for example. To them it's an easy sell, and understandably desirable. But there has to be an overall approach to `order`ing. Even so, I seriously doubt that IWC needs to force 250 Da Vinci's on its distribution --keep in mind that there are over 1200 "doors". The number of watches here is a drop in the bucket.
There also are dealers who are clamoring for their own limited editions --depending on the size, some would like 25 and some much more. But making 5 limited edition Da Vinci's shouldn't be that difficult, and just a little more work
I therefore don't share what appears to be your cynicism that dealers would need to be "forced" to distribute some limited edition Da Vincis.
532 Discussions and CommentsMember since Dec. 12, 2002
If you like...
I'm back in the forum after a while and I went to look at the new CF watch. In spite I dislike trend of the last few years for large watches, I feel it is necessary to respect different point of view. I'm sure there are forum members enthusiastic for the choice of offering a CF Da-Vinci. I also believe that the CFI was more a unique piece for each collector, the case back engraved with name, surname and number of the series made each CFI a very special watch. There is still for a small modification to the initial plan, I’m sure that on the large case of a Da-Vinci there is enough space for adding the name of the owner and the number.
Regards to all friends in this forum!
Luca
PS. It would be very nice to have them engraved on the left side of the case, opposite to chrono buttons!
354 Discussions and CommentsMember since March 27, 2006
Exactely !
Michael, thanks for your response.
The "montres de forme" have the reputation to be more difficult to sell than round watches and that has nothing to do with IWC, it is general. Having read some recent watches magazines and participated in some forums discussions it also seems that large sizes may be reconsidered by buyers globally and that 40 mm would be about right now.
Interestingly enough, some analysts claim that the financial crisis leads people back to core classical values and that could explain why non round large watches could have more difficulty finding new homes at this time.
Following this tendency I am wondering if exotic materials such as the titanium or black ceramic would be hit by the same behabiour but I very much doubt it though.
Anyway, the IWC CF Da Vinci will still remain a nice high quality watch.
yet. Since mostly I am a visual/visceral person, with watches (and most anything else- art, photographs, even personalities) almost immediately I know if I REALLY like it. Sometimes things will grow on me, but it can take some time.
This was really an amazing thing that IWC offered to do for the collectors- there is no other watch company doing this. And if you don't like it, there is no problem! Just find another IWC that you do like to put on your 'wish-list'. There is surely one that really makes your heart beat faster!
If you do like it, fantastic! We all are happy for you. It is exclusive and special and you will love having it on your wrist.
So, really, we should appreciate the gesture for what it is.
Last edited: 15 February, 2011 - 20:21
....so `order` placed and confirmed. Thanks IWC for this special watch to go with my CFI. I hope the 3rd one will be a BP in Ceramic........... :-)
Cheers,
SC
scfong722@gmail.com
wondering about those 250 pieces sold to dealers... I have always been told that dealers are forced to buy certain models, in `order` to get a share of normal models. So of course IWC can easily sell 250 of those special DaVinci models to dealers.
For instance a dealer here in Amsterdam was forced by IWC to buy some pink and blue girly DaVinci's. And he knew that those models were never to be sold... The Netherlands doesnt have a market for those blingbling watches.
Last edited: 31 January, 2012 - 17:08
Obviously no one is being tortured.
But permit me to discuss another brand by analogy. The brand, whose name starts with a R, has a steel chronograph that is the same as "money in the bank" the moment the watch is a delivered to its retailer. It sells out instantly and sells for more than list --in fact many dealers reportedly "redistribute" the watch privately. So of course dealers clamor to buy the model --and wouldn't it be great if the dealer could get that model, and only that model, and wouldn't need to `order` several others that take longer to sell?
The fact is that the distributor (or manufacturer, if direct) relationship with its dealers is a two way street. Some dealers of course complain about that (even to customers), and also some manufacturers aren't happy with dealers who only want to cherry pick. But the true relationship --the better and far prevalent relationship-- is as genuine partners.
Now, to bring this to IWC. IWC has some models which dealers really want --the Ref. 5004, for example. To them it's an easy sell, and understandably desirable. But there has to be an overall approach to `order`ing. Even so, I seriously doubt that IWC needs to force 250 Da Vinci's on its distribution --keep in mind that there are over 1200 "doors". The number of watches here is a drop in the bucket.
There also are dealers who are clamoring for their own limited editions --depending on the size, some would like 25 and some much more. But making 5 limited edition Da Vinci's shouldn't be that difficult, and just a little more work
I therefore don't share what appears to be your cynicism that dealers would need to be "forced" to distribute some limited edition Da Vincis.
Michael
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 5 April, 2012 - 19:53
Bill
Last edited: 23 June, 2012 - 20:15
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scfong722@gmail.com
I'm back in the forum after a while and I went to look at the new CF watch. In spite I dislike trend of the last few years for large watches, I feel it is necessary to respect different point of view. I'm sure there are forum members enthusiastic for the choice of offering a CF Da-Vinci.
I also believe that the CFI was more a unique piece for each collector, the case back engraved with name, surname and number of the series made each CFI a very special watch.
There is still for a small modification to the initial plan, I’m sure that on the large case of a Da-Vinci there is enough space for adding the name of the owner and the number.
Regards to all friends in this forum!
Luca
PS. It would be very nice to have them engraved on the left side of the case, opposite to chrono buttons!
Last edited: 30 December, 2011 - 11:35
Michael, thanks for your response.
The "montres de forme" have the reputation to be more difficult to sell than round watches and that has nothing to do with IWC, it is general. Having read some recent watches magazines and participated in some forums discussions it also seems that large sizes may be reconsidered by buyers globally and that 40 mm would be about right now.
Interestingly enough, some analysts claim that the financial crisis leads people back to core classical values and that could explain why non round large watches could have more difficulty finding new homes at this time.
Following this tendency I am wondering if exotic materials such as the titanium or black ceramic would be hit by the same behabiour but I very much doubt it though.
Anyway, the IWC CF Da Vinci will still remain a nice high quality watch.
Best Regards, Patrick