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I'm slowly building my IWC collection. The Ingenieur serie covers all calibers 85X and 85X1, so that is one part of my collection, and will for sure be very expensive before completed! The caliber 8541 covers all different series like "Dress watch", "Ingenieur", "Yacht Club", "Golf Club", "Polo Club" and "Da Vinci". This will be my second leg in the collection.
My question is if I'm missing any cal 8541 series. Is there any Yacht Club II with a cal 8541? Second question, is there an Aquatimer or Da Vinci with cal 854 (no date)?
526 Discussions and CommentsMember since April 12, 2001
The Yach Club II automatic used the JLC based movements and the vintage Da Vinci watches was probably just made with quartz movements. The firsed used Beta 21 and Beta 22 and the later versions ETA quartz movements.
The vintage Aquatimer ref. 1812 and 1816 however used caliber 8541.
Bjorn --I have seen one Yacht Club II with an 8541 movement; I believe but cannot confirm that it is not a marriage.
I believe one forum member owns such a watch, or at least did. I could be wrong but it's why I shy away from unequivocal generalizations, especially about some models during a big transitional period for the watch industry in the lat 1970s, early '80s.
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All gold period Da Vinci's carring 8541 movements have been spoken about on here before today Bjorn, i think i might well have posted a shot of one of them under the heading 'oh Gerald' but alas i've had a couple of computer crashes since then and no longer have the pic.
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Knowing that this was in the dark ages of Swiss watches I am not saying that either YC II or Da Vinci exists with caliber 8541.
What I am saying is that I have not seen them. The YC II with automatic movement is a rare piece in itself and I know there are at least two versions, on with strap and one with bracelet. Both with a JLC based movement.
Regarding the automatic Da Vinci I have seen a watch with a strong resembelance to the original Da Vinci featuring a mechanical movement. I am unsure about the movement but it would be quite possible that IWC used caliber 7541 in this watch.
This watch was however not a Da Vinci, the dial was not marked with Da Vinci and although it looked like one at first sight it was not 100% the same.
670 Discussions and CommentsMember since Sept. 13, 2002
You are very correct about the dial not being model marked Bjorn, though that in itself would not deem it a non-Da Vinci (even if the bracelet fastening was also different). In the past model names splattered across dials was seen to be a bit cheesy in some quarters and if customers wanted one without then they would be served.
I wonder if the gold lots purposefully put-together for the Arab customer (s) had the ref changed when the auto work was installed. If they did'nt then it is fair to say they are what they say on the tin (caseback) irregardless of whats inside.
I have not heard of "special order" dials with or without nomenclature, but I have seen dials with different nomenclature for the same model (including several Club models).
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MF Wrote:I have not heard of "special order" dials with or without nomenclature, but I have seen dials with different nomenclature for the same model (including several Club models).
I doubt you would have to personally hear about it Michael for it to exist, original dials devoid of model name (dial type unique to the lot) were very definately executed, though they only ever seem to pop-up on gold lots.
1,870 Discussions and CommentsMember since Oct. 28, 2002
Here is a pic of the rare YC II automatic. There are some different dials I know and have seen ; a black dial , a silver dial and this silver dial with waffle pattern.
1,910 Discussions and CommentsMember since Aug. 4, 2001
Lasse64 Wrote:I'm slowly building my IWC collection. The Ingenieur serie covers all calibers 85X and 85X1, so that is one part of my collection, and will for sure be very expensive before completed! The caliber 8541 covers all different series like "Dress watch", "Ingenieur", "Yacht Club", "Golf Club", "Polo Club" and "Da Vinci". This will be my second leg in the collection.
My question is if I'm missing any cal 8541 series. Is there any Yacht Club II with a cal 8541? Second question, is there an Aquatimer or Da Vinci with cal 854 (no date)?
/Lars
Rare Yacht Club, cal 854, cloisonne dial - Viking ship motif, currently being auctioned at a popular site, with an outrageously high initial bid, reduced already from ridiculously high.
The dramatic sales pitch for your amusement:
The creation of an enamel dial is one of the most high risk of the high arts. The fusing of powdered glass in the furious fires of an oven can produce shattering disasters –but the payoff when success is achieved is a luminous beauty like nothing else on earth. Enameling is an art fraught with dangers. The process itself is an ancient one –enamelware is nearly as old as human civilization itself –and the finished product, while virtually immune to the passage of time, is one of fine art’s most challenging to produce successfully.
The Ingenieur serie covers all calibers 85X and 85X1, so that is one part of my collection, and will for sure be very expensive before completed!
The caliber 8541 covers all different series like "Dress watch", "Ingenieur", "Yacht Club", "Golf Club", "Polo Club" and "Da Vinci". This will be my second leg in the collection.
My question is if I'm missing any cal 8541 series. Is there any Yacht Club II with a cal 8541?
Second question, is there an Aquatimer or Da Vinci with cal 854 (no date)?
/Lars
Yes, this was a very rare version of the Yacht Club II that was automatic and used a c. 8541 movement.
I'm not 100% sure but believe that all vintage Aquatimers and Da Vincis had dates.
Good luck on your collection.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 5 April, 2012 - 19:53
The vintage Aquatimer ref. 1812 and 1816 however used caliber 8541.
I believe one forum member owns such a watch, or at least did. I could be wrong but it's why I shy away from unequivocal generalizations, especially about some models during a big transitional period for the watch industry in the lat 1970s, early '80s.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 5 April, 2012 - 19:53
What I am saying is that I have not seen them. The YC II with automatic movement is a rare piece in itself and I know there are at least two versions, on with strap and one with bracelet. Both with a JLC based movement.
Regarding the automatic Da Vinci I have seen a watch with a strong resembelance to the original Da Vinci featuring a mechanical movement. I am unsure about the movement but it would be quite possible that IWC used caliber 7541 in this watch.
This watch was however not a Da Vinci, the dial was not marked with Da Vinci and although it looked like one at first sight it was not 100% the same.
I wonder if the gold lots purposefully put-together for the Arab customer (s) had the ref changed when the auto work was installed. If they did'nt then it is fair to say they are what they say on the tin (caseback) irregardless of whats inside.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 5 April, 2012 - 19:53
I doubt you would have to personally hear about it Michael for it to exist, original dials devoid of model name (dial type unique to the lot) were very definately executed, though they only ever seem to pop-up on gold lots.
Last edited: 19 October, 2010 - 07:55
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Rare Yacht Club, cal 854, cloisonne dial - Viking ship motif, currently being auctioned at a popular site, with an outrageously high initial bid, reduced already from ridiculously high.
The dramatic sales pitch for your amusement:
The creation of an enamel dial is one of the most high risk of the high arts. The fusing of powdered glass in the furious fires of an oven can produce shattering disasters –but the payoff when success is achieved is a luminous beauty like nothing else on earth.
Enameling is an art fraught with dangers.
The process itself is an ancient one –enamelware is nearly as old as human civilization itself –and the finished product, while virtually immune to the passage of time, is one of fine art’s most challenging to produce successfully.
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Last edited: 30 October, 2011 - 22:05