1,908 Discussions and CommentsMember since Aug. 4, 2001
MF Wrote: ...certain IWC Club models that were made in the late 1970s without numbered cases, and they were "assembled" outside of the factory with legitimate dial, movement and case parts.
Clubs? Yacht Clubs? Polo Clubs? Golf Clubs? What about Ingenieurs? Aquatimers?
5,019 Discussions and CommentsMember since May 29, 2003Sarasota, FL,
United States
So it depends now on the price. Perhaps it is a very unique piece which will turn out to be a real find. If the price is right it might be worth taking a chance.
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The 666 case that should be married to a nos 666 dial (how many original nos 666 dials have you seen in the last two decades/non re-strikes) is not so simple to carry off, give schaffhausen a slightly used one and they can restore it very well but they can't readilly nos it. Having a nos 666 dial with complimentary case is not so easy to stumble across.....a refurbed dial opens a different can of worms.
Whether you'd buy it or not would i guess depend on your bottle, not many watch collectors would....having the formula- buyer mentality does not bode well when highering the bar. I bought an 866 oneday that was devoid of casenumbers, the case, dial and movement were nos (not ebay nos), it had been sent back to Schaffhausen and unfortunately an extract could not be had but a letter confiming the watch was an all geniune IWC product with a movemnt number purposefully set aside for the very model. The dial was original......the case had not been made aftermarket and the specific movement belonged to the line.
Would you buy a non ingenieur automatic Schaffhausen piece with punched serial numbers between the lugs just because one had never shown itself? Sometimes watch collecting is'nt at all like painting by numbers.I would'nt swop a nos 666 devoid of case numbers for a re-worked, re-dialled piece with extract.
1,908 Discussions and CommentsMember since Aug. 4, 2001
[quote=]The 666 case that should be married to a nos 666 dial (how many original nos 666 dials have you seen in the last two decades/non re-strikes) is not so simple to carry off, give schaffhausen a slightly used one and they can restore it very well but they can't readilly nos it. Having a nos 666 dial with complimentary case is not so easy to stumble across.....a refurbed dial opens a different can of worms.
Whether you'd buy it or not would i guess depend on your bottle, not many watch collectors would....having the formula- buyer mentality does not bode well when highering the bar. I bought an 866 oneday that was devoid of casenumbers, the case, dial and movement were nos (not ebay nos), it had been sent back to Schaffhausen and unfortunately an extract could not be had but a letter confiming the watch was an all geniune IWC product with a movemnt number purposefully set aside for the very model. The dial was original......the case had not been made aftermarket and the specific movement belonged to the line.
Would you buy a non ingenieur automatic Schaffhausen piece with punched serial numbers between the lugs just because one had never shown itself? Sometimes watch collecting is'nt at all like painting by numbers.I would'nt swop a nos 666 devoid of case numbers for a re-worked, re-dialled piece with extract.[/quote]
I don't recall having said that I wanted to acquire that watch for my collection. I would not buy it even if it were for sale, which it is not. The watch in question belongs to an acquaintance who solicited my advice. My posting here intends to pick the Forum's collective brain to complement my limited knowledge. I know what I know, and I am very much aware of what I don't know. I know that the more I know the more I know how little I know. I also know that there are things I don't know I don't know. I hope I made myself perfectly clear.
2,079 Discussions and CommentsMember since Jan. 7, 2005
clepsydra Wrote: I don't recall having said that I wanted to acquire that watch for my collection. I would not buy it even if it were for sale, which it is not. The watch in question belongs to an acquaintance who solicited my advice. My posting here intends to pick the Forum's collective brain to complement my limited knowledge. I know what I know, and I am very much aware of what I don't know. I know that the more I know the more I know how little I know. I also know that there are things I don't know I don't know. I hope I made myself perfectly clear.
If it's not for sale then it would be good, if possible, to see pictures of this case.
We all know vintage is not a perfect science and I've personally seen many anomalies on watches to be considered at the end, completely correct.
Maybe a forum workaround would work to come to some definitive conclusions. It would be also instructive to everybody.
670 Discussions and CommentsMember since Sept. 13, 2002
[quote=clepsydra][quote=]The 666 case that should be married to a nos 666 dial (how many original nos 666 dials have you seen in the last two decades/non re-strikes) is not so simple to carry off, give schaffhausen a slightly used one and they can restore it very well but they can't readilly nos it. Having a nos 666 dial with complimentary case is not so easy to stumble across.....a refurbed dial opens a different can of worms.
Whether you'd buy it or not would i guess depend on your bottle, not many watch collectors would....having the formula- buyer mentality does not bode well when highering the bar. I bought an 866 oneday that was devoid of casenumbers, the case, dial and movement were nos (not ebay nos), it had been sent back to Schaffhausen and unfortunately an extract could not be had but a letter confiming the watch was an all geniune IWC product with a movemnt number purposefully set aside for the very model. The dial was original......the case had not been made aftermarket and the specific movement belonged to the line.
Would you buy a non ingenieur automatic Schaffhausen piece with punched serial numbers between the lugs just because one had never shown itself? Sometimes watch collecting is'nt at all like painting by numbers.I would'nt swop a nos 666 devoid of case numbers for a re-worked, re-dialled piece with extract.[/quote]
I don't recall having said that I wanted to acquire that watch for my collection. I would not buy it even if it were for sale, which it is not. The watch in question belongs to an acquaintance who solicited my advice. My posting here intends to pick the Forum's collective brain to complement my limited knowledge. I know what I know, and I am very much aware of what I don't know. I know that the more I know the more I know how little I know. I also know that there are things I don't know I don't know. I hope I made myself perfectly clear.[/quote]
My apologies Mr. Cleps....although you very obviously know a lot ....i was'nt actually addressing you personally with my question. For forum members intrested in such anomalies then asking would they buy the straight auto piece with punched numbers somewhat forces them to think about the lot and not neccessarilly get themselves strung-up with missing numbers. In future when i'm addressing you i will quote your specific chat.
1,908 Discussions and CommentsMember since Aug. 4, 2001
My apologies Mr. Cleps....although you very obviously know a lot ....i was'nt actually addressing you personally with my question. For forum members intrested in such anomalies then asking would they buy the straight auto piece with punched numbers somewhat forces them to think about the lot and not neccessarilly get themselves strung-up with missing numbers. In future when i'm addressing you i will quote your specific chat.
No apology necessary. I was trying to be factious, obviously unsuccessfully
1,888 Discussions and CommentsMember since June 13, 2001Mansfield,Notts,
United Kingdom
If the existing case back to the watch HAS the case number inscribed on the inside , then its very unlikely that the watch started out as an Ingenieur.
1,908 Discussions and CommentsMember since Aug. 4, 2001
iwcforme Wrote:If the existing case back to the watch HAS the case number inscribed on the inside , then its very unlikely that the watch started out as an Ingenieur.
Clubs? Yacht Clubs? Polo Clubs? Golf Clubs? What about Ingenieurs? Aquatimers?
clepsydra
ad fontes...
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Whether you'd buy it or not would i guess depend on your bottle, not many watch collectors would....having the formula- buyer mentality does not bode well when highering the bar. I bought an 866 oneday that was devoid of casenumbers, the case, dial and movement were nos (not ebay nos), it had been sent back to Schaffhausen and unfortunately an extract could not be had but a letter confiming the watch was an all geniune IWC product with a movemnt number purposefully set aside for the very model. The dial was original......the case had not been made aftermarket and the specific movement belonged to the line.
Would you buy a non ingenieur automatic Schaffhausen piece with punched serial numbers between the lugs just because one had never shown itself? Sometimes watch collecting is'nt at all like painting by numbers.I would'nt swop a nos 666 devoid of case numbers for a re-worked, re-dialled piece with extract.
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Whether you'd buy it or not would i guess depend on your bottle, not many watch collectors would....having the formula- buyer mentality does not bode well when highering the bar. I bought an 866 oneday that was devoid of casenumbers, the case, dial and movement were nos (not ebay nos), it had been sent back to Schaffhausen and unfortunately an extract could not be had but a letter confiming the watch was an all geniune IWC product with a movemnt number purposefully set aside for the very model. The dial was original......the case had not been made aftermarket and the specific movement belonged to the line.
Would you buy a non ingenieur automatic Schaffhausen piece with punched serial numbers between the lugs just because one had never shown itself? Sometimes watch collecting is'nt at all like painting by numbers.I would'nt swop a nos 666 devoid of case numbers for a re-worked, re-dialled piece with extract.[/quote]
I don't recall having said that I wanted to acquire that watch for my collection. I would not buy it even if it were for sale, which it is not. The watch in question belongs to an acquaintance who solicited my advice. My posting here intends to pick the Forum's collective brain to complement my limited knowledge.
I know what I know, and I am very much aware of what I don't know. I know that the more I know the more I know how little I know. I also know that there are things I don't know I don't know. I hope I made myself perfectly clear.
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 30 October, 2011 - 22:05
If it's not for sale then it would be good, if possible, to see pictures of this case.
We all know vintage is not a perfect science and I've personally seen many anomalies on watches to be considered at the end, completely correct.
Maybe a forum workaround would work to come to some definitive conclusions. It would be also instructive to everybody.
:)
Regards,
Roberto
Last edited: 11 January, 2013 - 11:07
I would if I could. I do not have the owner's permission to post images in the net.
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 30 October, 2011 - 22:05
Whether you'd buy it or not would i guess depend on your bottle, not many watch collectors would....having the formula- buyer mentality does not bode well when highering the bar. I bought an 866 oneday that was devoid of casenumbers, the case, dial and movement were nos (not ebay nos), it had been sent back to Schaffhausen and unfortunately an extract could not be had but a letter confiming the watch was an all geniune IWC product with a movemnt number purposefully set aside for the very model. The dial was original......the case had not been made aftermarket and the specific movement belonged to the line.
Would you buy a non ingenieur automatic Schaffhausen piece with punched serial numbers between the lugs just because one had never shown itself? Sometimes watch collecting is'nt at all like painting by numbers.I would'nt swop a nos 666 devoid of case numbers for a re-worked, re-dialled piece with extract.[/quote]
I don't recall having said that I wanted to acquire that watch for my collection. I would not buy it even if it were for sale, which it is not. The watch in question belongs to an acquaintance who solicited my advice. My posting here intends to pick the Forum's collective brain to complement my limited knowledge.
I know what I know, and I am very much aware of what I don't know. I know that the more I know the more I know how little I know. I also know that there are things I don't know I don't know. I hope I made myself perfectly clear.[/quote]
My apologies Mr. Cleps....although you very obviously know a lot ....i was'nt actually addressing you personally with my question. For forum members intrested in such anomalies then asking would they buy the straight auto piece with punched numbers somewhat forces them to think about the lot and not neccessarilly get themselves strung-up with missing numbers. In future when i'm addressing you i will quote your specific chat.
No apology necessary. I was trying to be factious, obviously unsuccessfully
clepsydra
ad fontes...
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Regards
Ivan
iwcforme
Ivan
iwcforme
iwcforme@aol.com
Last edited: 11 December, 2012 - 13:27
There is no case number anywhere in the watch.
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 30 October, 2011 - 22:05