7 Discussions and CommentsMember since Nov. 14, 2010Utrecht,
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Hello Mark,
Thank you for checking the Date Your IWC utility, didn't figure that one out yet. No case number inside or outside the caseback. Inside the caseback it just has the IWC logo and STAYBRITE *STEEL* International Watch Co written on the inside of the caseback.
Hmmm -to my knowledge, all Ingenieurs started with cal. 852 movements, and cal. 85 were earlier. Also, all Ingenieurs have case numbers between the lugs, and I had thought (without double-checking as I write) reference numbers inside the case back. I hesitate to say "all" unequivocally, since there always can be an exception that is not known. But three exceptions? That's almost impossible, especially for a movement that predates the Ingenieur. I suspect that this is a clever, and indeed expert, marriage. Sorry to say that.
7 Discussions and CommentsMember since Nov. 14, 2010Utrecht,
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Dear Michael Friedberg, thank you for your analysis which to me sounds like a solid conclusion to this 'quest'.
Obviously to me personally it is a big disappointment to get to know the truth about this 'watch'. Aesthetically it is still as appealling as it was to me, but I wouldn't dare to call it an Ingenieur anymore. But well, if I would not have liked to know then I should not have started asking. I will reconsider what to do. The Ebay seller from Singen (which is very close to Schaffhausen I found out this week) sold it as an 'Ingenieur' which I guess would mean that my wife could try to get the money she paid for it returned to her, now that we know that the only parts of it which might be from an Ingenieur could be the hands & the dial. I don't think there's any use anymore in sending it to Schaffhausen, or it would be to get a report which states that the watch is indeed a marriage/non-ingenieur, which could make it easier to speak to the seller. Remco
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rebr Wrote:Dear Michael Friedberg, thank you for your analysis which to me sounds like a solid conclusion to this 'quest'.
Obviously to me personally it is a big disappointment to get to know the truth about this 'watch'. Aesthetically it is still as appealling as it was to me, but I wouldn't dare to call it an Ingenieur anymore. But well, if I would not have liked to know then I should not have started asking. I will reconsider what to do. The Ebay seller from Singen (which is very close to Schaffhausen I found out this week) sold it as an 'Ingenieur' which I guess would mean that my wife could try to get the money she paid for it returned to her, now that we know that the only parts of it which might be from an Ingenieur could be the hands & the dial. I don't think there's any use anymore in sending it to Schaffhausen, or it would be to get a report which states that the watch is indeed a marriage/non-ingenieur, which could make it easier to speak to the seller. Remco
It appears that, as I suspected, you have been the victim of fraud - the whole is less than the sum of its parts. The seller may, however, be selling the watch not knowing it is not a bona fides Ingenieur, but I seriously doubt it. If the seller is unwilling to make full restitution, he could face criminal persecution if you press charges. BTW, the seller of my friend's pseudo-Ingenieur offered to make full restitution, but my friend opted to keep it because he liked it a lot. To each his own. Best of luck.
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clepsydra Wrote: To each his own.
Unicuique suum, well said.
Remco,
very sad story, for what it counts, I really appreciated your serenity and politeness posting this in the forum, I sincerely wish you to find the perfect Inge you deserve, best of luck!
Thank you for checking the Date Your IWC utility, didn't figure that one out yet.
No case number inside or outside the caseback. Inside the caseback it just has the IWC logo and STAYBRITE *STEEL* International Watch Co written on the inside of the caseback.
Remco
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 5 April, 2012 - 19:53
Obviously to me personally it is a big disappointment to get to know the truth about this 'watch'. Aesthetically it is still as appealling as it was to me, but I wouldn't dare to call it an Ingenieur anymore. But well, if I would not have liked to know then I should not have started asking.
I will reconsider what to do. The Ebay seller from Singen (which is very close to Schaffhausen I found out this week) sold it as an 'Ingenieur' which I guess would mean that my wife could try to get the money she paid for it returned to her, now that we know that the only parts of it which might be from an Ingenieur could be the hands & the dial.
I don't think there's any use anymore in sending it to Schaffhausen, or it would be to get a report which states that the watch is indeed a marriage/non-ingenieur, which could make it easier to speak to the seller.
Remco
It appears that, as I suspected, you have been the victim of fraud - the whole is less than the sum of its parts.
The seller may, however, be selling the watch not knowing it is not a bona fides Ingenieur, but I seriously doubt it. If the seller is unwilling to make full restitution, he could face criminal persecution if you press charges.
BTW, the seller of my friend's pseudo-Ingenieur offered to make full restitution, but my friend opted to keep it because he liked it a lot. To each his own.
Best of luck.
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 30 October, 2011 - 22:05
Unicuique suum, well said.
Remco,
very sad story, for what it counts, I really appreciated your serenity and politeness posting this in the forum, I sincerely wish you to find the perfect Inge you deserve, best of luck!
Regards,
roberto
Regards,
Roberto
Last edited: 12 June, 2013 - 11:03