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Does anyone know what will happen next with the collection? Do you think they will make the pilot chrono with an in house movement like the Inge. Is there any news on what will be released in 2011???
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I bet the Pilot's watches won't be touched in 2011. The Pilot's Chrono is a huge success as it is. Giving it the 89360 movement would make it much more expensive. The same Idea I have on giving the Mark XVI the 80110 movement. And let's try to stir things up: I guess the ETA movements used are more reliable and accurate than the in-house movements mentioned here.
Kind regards, Paul
What you do may not be so important, but it is very important that you do it well. (my variation of a saying by Gandhi)
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Paul Bloemen Wrote:I bet the Pilot's watches won't be touched in 2011. The Pilot's Chrono is a huge success as it is. Giving it the 89360 movement would make it much more expensive. The same Idea I have on giving the Mark XVI the 80110 movement. And let's try to stir things up: I guess the ETA movements used are more reliable and accurate than the in-house movements mentioned here.
Kind regards, Paul
Yes that might make a few people angry, even if it is true, lol.
Yes I agree it will obviously make it more expensive but would also raise the profile of the brand even higher than it is already. The higher price would make it harder for people like me to buy it and therefore more exclusive. Why would they do it for the Inge. And not follow on with the rest? I have a feeling that iwc are milking the pilots sales qty for now but in the next couple of years this is the way it will go, but I'm certainly no expert like some of you guys on here! Also are eta going to stop supplying these movements at some point???
2011 will be the year of the Portofino and most, but not all, of the new models will be in that line.
I believe 2012 will be the next year that the Pilot's watches will be emphasized, and I would guess that there will be new models then. I suspect --with absolutely no inside information-- that there may be some more in-house movements in the Pilot's line at that time. However, I also suspect that there may be some choices, like a less expensive chrono like the 3717 with an outsourced base and a more expensive one with an in-house movement (after all, the 3714 was retained in the Portuguese line and a new, more expensive chrono was introduced in that line as the Yacht Club).
Part of the issue is movements don't grow on trees, and the issue is where to allocate scarce resources. The 89360 chrono was used only in the Da Vinci for a few years, then in one Aquatimer (the gold model) and next in the Portuguese Yacht Clubs. I suspect its production will be increased over time. I also think that if IWC has issues sourcing ETA movements it will turn to other alternatives, such as Selita, to maintain price point over a market spectrum.
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MF Wrote: I also think that if IWC has issues sourcing ETA movements it will turn to other alternatives, such as Selita, to maintain price point over a market spectrum.
Now I remember! I'm sure I read more than a year ago there was a plan to use a Sellita caliber inside a Portofino, will this really happen?
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Sellita: very interesting. That would be the third non-IWC manufacturer of movements for IWC watches in the present or near future. ETA and Piaget are the other two, and in the past there was of course Jaeger LeCoultre.
I looked Sellita up. They exist 60 years and have a whole range of movements: the 200 series for the mid-range watches, the 300 for the high-end watches, and there also is a 500 movement. There are very specific PDF files per movement, showing their construction: too difficult for me, but nonetheless interesting. Apparently there are no secrets at this level, although I would not publish these diagrams anyway: no need to help the cheap competition. Sellita accomodates special wishes too. I wonder if, along with ETA, special specifications are made by IWC, so that a special top-quality Selitta movement will be used.
Always interesting to learn something new: until now Sellita was 100% under the radar for me, but then, my radar is not that good of course. There seem to be other top-quality brands that use Sellita movements, but I haven't heard about them yet. Does anybody here know of such a brand? Can some more information about the cooperation between IWC and Sellita be revealed? Like, which movement will be used?
Kind regards, Paul
What you do may not be so important, but it is very important that you do it well. (my variation of a saying by Gandhi)
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Paul Bloemen Wrote:There seem to be other top-quality brands that use Sellita movements, but I haven't heard about them yet. Does anybody here know of such a brand?
Within Richemont group, Baume et Mercier for sure and many others from other groups I won't mention.
Whenever you see a 2824-2 with 26 stones (instead of 25) that's a Sellita movement :)
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From what I understand (and this information is NOT from MF) 2011 will see several new nce watches in addition to the new Portofinos. But the big changes are slated for 2012. There will be significant changes then.
lndblr Wrote:From what I understand (and this information is NOT from MF) 2011 will see several new nce watches in addition to the new Portofinos. But the big changes are slated for 2012. There will be significant changes then.
The former is true. I'm not so sure about the latter.
Kind regards,
Paul
What you do may not be so important, but it is very important that you do it well. (my variation of a saying by Gandhi)
Last edited: 23 October, 2011 - 13:31
Yes that might make a few people angry, even if it is true, lol.
Yes I agree it will obviously make it more expensive but would also raise the profile of the brand even higher than it is already. The higher price would make it harder for people like me to buy it and therefore more exclusive. Why would they do it for the Inge. And not follow on with the rest? I have a feeling that iwc are milking the pilots sales qty for now but in the next couple of years this is the way it will go, but I'm certainly no expert like some of you guys on here! Also are eta going to stop supplying these movements at some point???
2011 will be the year of the Portofino and most, but not all, of the new models will be in that line.
I believe 2012 will be the next year that the Pilot's watches will be emphasized, and I would guess that there will be new models then. I suspect --with absolutely no inside information-- that there may be some more in-house movements in the Pilot's line at that time. However, I also suspect that there may be some choices, like a less expensive chrono like the 3717 with an outsourced base and a more expensive one with an in-house movement (after all, the 3714 was retained in the Portuguese line and a new, more expensive chrono was introduced in that line as the Yacht Club).
Part of the issue is movements don't grow on trees, and the issue is where to allocate scarce resources. The 89360 chrono was used only in the Da Vinci for a few years, then in one Aquatimer (the gold model) and next in the Portuguese Yacht Clubs. I suspect its production will be increased over time. I also think that if IWC has issues sourcing ETA movements it will turn to other alternatives, such as Selita, to maintain price point over a market spectrum.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 5 April, 2012 - 19:53
Now I remember! I'm sure I read more than a year ago there was a plan to use a Sellita caliber inside a Portofino, will this really happen?
Regards,
roberto
Regards,
Roberto
Last edited: 11 January, 2013 - 11:07
I looked Sellita up. They exist 60 years and have a whole range of movements: the 200 series for the mid-range watches, the 300 for the high-end watches, and there also is a 500 movement. There are very specific PDF files per movement, showing their construction: too difficult for me, but nonetheless interesting. Apparently there are no secrets at this level, although I would not publish these diagrams anyway: no need to help the cheap competition. Sellita accomodates special wishes too. I wonder if, along with ETA, special specifications are made by IWC, so that a special top-quality Selitta movement will be used.
Always interesting to learn something new: until now Sellita was 100% under the radar for me, but then, my radar is not that good of course. There seem to be other top-quality brands that use Sellita movements, but I haven't heard about them yet. Does anybody here know of such a brand? Can some more information about the cooperation between IWC and Sellita be revealed? Like, which movement will be used?
Kind regards,
Paul
What you do may not be so important, but it is very important that you do it well. (my variation of a saying by Gandhi)
Last edited: 23 October, 2011 - 13:31
Within Richemont group, Baume et Mercier for sure and many others from other groups I won't mention.
Whenever you see a 2824-2 with 26 stones (instead of 25) that's a Sellita movement :)
Regards,
Roberto
Last edited: 11 January, 2013 - 11:07
Last edited: 8 November, 2012 - 12:49
The former is true. I'm not so sure about the latter.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 5 April, 2012 - 19:53