2,626 Discussions and CommentsMember since Sept. 20, 2007
Further to my post earlier in the week, it seems like something might be "amiss" with my newest acquisition.
I received today the following communication from Schaffhausen in response to my request for an extract from the register.
Dear Mark
Thank you for your order. I have to inform you that there are discrepancies between your specifications and our archive. Would it be possible to send us some pictures of the timepiece?
So it seems that the archives and the serial numbers do not align.
I've sent the requested pictures to Schaffhausen, and now need to wait. At best, I hope for a request to send them the Half Hunter for further analysis - at worst, confirmation from them that I've been duped"
1,908 Discussions and CommentsMember since Aug. 4, 2001
[quote=]Further to my post earlier in the week, it seems like something might be "amiss" with my newest acquisition.
I received today the following communication from Schaffhausen in response to my request for an extract from the register.
[i]Dear Mark
Thank you for your order. I have to inform you that there are discrepancies between your specifications and our archive. Would it be possible to send us some pictures of the timepiece?"[/i]
So it seems that the archives and the serial numbers do not align.
I've sent the requested pictures to Schaffhausen, and now need to wait. At best, I hope for a request to send them the Half Hunter for further analysis - at worst, confirmation from them that I've been duped"
Stay tuned for Part III.[/quote]
Keep your hopes up. The earlier records seem to be incomplete and not perfect. It has happened to me before, and is happening now. I am currently involved in a similar exchange with Schaffhausen regarding the cloisonné dial of a Ref 521. I sent high resolution images of the dial, which were not sufficient, and I had to send the watch for analysis. I am waiting for the final verdict with some trepidation, not because I have any doubt the dial is genuine, because it is, but because apparently there is no record, nor institutional memory of those dials among the IWC of today. I believe most of the people working at IWC today were not born when the cloisonné dials were being installed in some of their watches at the request of some retailers.
2,626 Discussions and CommentsMember since Sept. 20, 2007
You write " cloisonné dial of a Ref 521. I sent high resolution images of the dial,"...
Now, did I (we) miss the posting of your photos of this watch of yours? It sounds really special. May I ask you to point me to the link, or maybe post a photo. It's always nice to see.
I did quiet some due diligence on the Cal. 64 before buying it, and I'm pretty sure that it's genuine - so we shall see. I guess, that these stresses (trepidation...) are all part of this fantastic hobby of ours. On the other hand, I do respect Schaffhausen for being careful here, around the issue of extracts - especially on these really old pieces. After all, the 1890's were a long time ago.
1,908 Discussions and CommentsMember since Aug. 4, 2001
[quote=]You write " cloisonné dial of a Ref 521. I sent high resolution images of the dial,"...
Now, did I (we) miss the posting of your photos of this watch of yours? It sounds really special. May I ask you to point me to the link, or maybe post a photo. It's always nice to see.
I did quiet some due diligence on the Cal. 64 before buying it, and I'm pretty sure that it's genuine - so we shall see. I guess, that these stresses (trepidation...) are all part of this fantastic hobby of ours. On the other hand, I do respect Schaffhausen for being careful here, around the issue of extracts - especially on these really old pieces. After all, the 1890's were a long time ago.
Best regards Mark[/quote]
I have no doubt Schaffhausen will be careful in judging the authenticity of my watch's dial. My trepidation comes from the (apparently) total absence of data on those watches at IWC. I understand, from my limited research capabilities, these watches left production with regular dials and, at the request of some retailers, the dials were replaced by cloisonné dials. If you search cloisonee or cloisonné, you will find some interesting and informative threads on these watches, including my (not-so-informative) post below.
I received today the following communication from Schaffhausen in response to my request for an extract from the register.
Dear Mark
Thank you for your order. I have to inform you that there are discrepancies between your specifications and our archive. Would it be possible to send us some pictures of the timepiece?
So it seems that the archives and the serial numbers do not align.
I've sent the requested pictures to Schaffhausen, and now need to wait. At best, I hope for a request to send them the Half Hunter for further analysis - at worst, confirmation from them that I've been duped"
Stay tuned for Part III.
Best regards
Mark
Last edited: 16 April, 2013 - 00:36
I received today the following communication from Schaffhausen in response to my request for an extract from the register.
[i]Dear Mark
Thank you for your order. I have to inform you that there are discrepancies between your specifications and our archive. Would it be possible to send us some pictures of the timepiece?"[/i]
So it seems that the archives and the serial numbers do not align.
I've sent the requested pictures to Schaffhausen, and now need to wait. At best, I hope for a request to send them the Half Hunter for further analysis - at worst, confirmation from them that I've been duped"
Stay tuned for Part III.[/quote]
Keep your hopes up. The earlier records seem to be incomplete and not perfect. It has happened to me before, and is happening now. I am currently involved in a similar exchange with Schaffhausen regarding the cloisonné dial of a Ref 521. I sent high resolution images of the dial, which were not sufficient, and I had to send the watch for analysis. I am waiting for the final verdict with some trepidation, not because I have any doubt the dial is genuine, because it is, but because apparently there is no record, nor institutional memory of those dials among the IWC of today. I believe most of the people working at IWC today were not born when the cloisonné dials were being installed in some of their watches at the request of some retailers.
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 30 October, 2011 - 22:05
Now, did I (we) miss the posting of your photos of this watch of yours? It sounds really special. May I ask you to point me to the link, or maybe post a photo. It's always nice to see.
I did quiet some due diligence on the Cal. 64 before buying it, and I'm pretty sure that it's genuine - so we shall see. I guess, that these stresses (trepidation...) are all part of this fantastic hobby of ours. On the other hand, I do respect Schaffhausen for being careful here, around the issue of extracts - especially on these really old pieces. After all, the 1890's were a long time ago.
Best regards
Mark
Best regards
Mark
Last edited: 16 April, 2013 - 00:36
Now, did I (we) miss the posting of your photos of this watch of yours? It sounds really special. May I ask you to point me to the link, or maybe post a photo. It's always nice to see.
I did quiet some due diligence on the Cal. 64 before buying it, and I'm pretty sure that it's genuine - so we shall see. I guess, that these stresses (trepidation...) are all part of this fantastic hobby of ours. On the other hand, I do respect Schaffhausen for being careful here, around the issue of extracts - especially on these really old pieces. After all, the 1890's were a long time ago.
Best regards
Mark[/quote]
I have no doubt Schaffhausen will be careful in judging the authenticity of my watch's dial. My trepidation comes from the (apparently) total absence of data on those watches at IWC. I understand, from my limited research capabilities, these watches left production with regular dials and, at the request of some retailers, the dials were replaced by cloisonné dials.
If you search cloisonee or cloisonné, you will find some interesting and informative threads on these watches, including my (not-so-informative) post below.
[url]http://www.iwc.com/forum-en/topic/225937.html[/url]
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 30 October, 2011 - 22:05