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Ralph Ehrismann Wrote:The c77 is probbly the highest quality movement IWC ever built. The material of this movement is mostly "Neusilber" a nickel-alloy.
It was built in 15p, 17p,19p and 23p (p meaning jewels) version and not brass what is(was) standard.
The 23p version are only called 23p in the production files finally they have 21 also jewels but marked as "precision quality"
watch77 (now you know why 77)
Hi Ralph, that is a very interesting statement, because we all are looking for a 23p c.77. Also in the book of Tölke-King the authors decribe the exsitance . Where did you get this information from? If you are right (I have'nt any doubts)we can "chill down", one riddle less! Regards Hans
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There are differernt information from which I deduced this Statement:
The movement shown is one of the serie "23p". (I have an other of one)
There are 600 watches indicated to be "23p", and as I have seen (and have some) many of the c77 I think should have seen a real 23p when they exist.
BUT: There also exists production instruction for the 23p model to drill aditional holes. (I have seen It once in the archive). I think it was not produced that way. The production instruction defines the drilling an milling operations for additional jewels on the barrel and the "couronne" (both just upper side, never seen)
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
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Thanks so much for the information. I have learned so much on this site in the last few days!
The good: That my watch has a lot of history behind it and I would probably be stupid to let it go for what was offered to me earlier.
The bad: I probably won't sell it now as I hate the thought of someone buying it for the gold only--instead of its historic beauty-even though it isnt in perfect condition obviously.
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We are most happy to hear this descision.
Indeed, there is much to learn on this site, and one of those things relates to your last line "....even though it isnt in perfect condition obviously."
Use the search function to look for "SPA Treatment" or one of my previous posts regarding "The Wizzards of Schaffhausen" to read and understand that you are able to send this family heirloom back to IWC for a SPA refurbishment. It will come back looking and working like new!
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Ralph Ehrismann Wrote:Just one last thing.
I once saved a picture of an other Tiffany c77 in an auction. Due probably a lack of money I did not buy it ----
It is a movement of the 1st serie, with still screwed down jewels (later only the center wheel got a screwed jewel).
The owner of the watch would please forgive me the use of this image here in the forum.
Very interesting! In the shown IWC-picture you can see a c.77 with the mentioned additional screwed down holes. I must agree that I didn'nt realized that, so thank you for your information!
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Hans-Georg Aberle Wrote in reply to:
Ralph Ehrismann Wrote:Just one last thing.
I once saved a picture of an other Tiffany c77 in an auction. Due probably a lack of money I did not buy it ----
It is a movement of the 1st serie, with still screwed down jewels (later only the center wheel got a screwed jewel).
The owner of the watch would please forgive me the use of this image here in the forum.
Very interesting! In the shown IWC-picture you can see a c.77 with the mentioned additional screwed down holes. I must agree that I didn'nt realized that, so thank you for your information!
Hans
Dear Hans
The c.77 23p image was a photoshop work done 2002 for a discussion here in the forum (I just checked the date of the saved image on my computer; here it is called "Cal77-23jewels_montage.jpg" it dates from the 3rd july 2002) The image was copied and copied but people forgot that it is a modified illustration. (The base is a scan of the c.77 in the spare parts catalog)
Sorry an regards
Ralph
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
The material of this movement is mostly "Neusilber" a nickel-alloy.
It was built in 15p, 17p,19p and 23p (p meaning jewels) version and not brass what is(was) standard.
The 23p version are only called 23p in the production files
finally they have 21 also jewels but marked as "precision quality"
watch77 (now you know why 77)
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
Last edited: 7 September, 2012 - 23:25
Hi Ralph,
that is a very interesting statement, because we all are looking for a 23p c.77. Also in the book of Tölke-King the authors decribe the exsitance . Where did you get this information from? If you are right (I have'nt any doubts)we can "chill down", one riddle less!
Regards
Hans
Last edited: 26 November, 2012 - 20:28
The movement shown is one of the serie "23p". (I have an other of one)
There are 600 watches indicated to be "23p", and as I have seen (and have some) many of the c77 I think should have seen a real 23p when they exist.
BUT: There also exists production instruction for the 23p model to drill aditional holes. (I have seen It once in the archive). I think it was not produced that way. The production instruction defines the drilling an milling operations for additional jewels on the barrel and the "couronne" (both just upper side, never seen)
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
Last edited: 7 September, 2012 - 23:25
I once saved a picture of an other Tiffany c77 in an auction. Due probably a lack of money I did not buy it ----
It is a movement of the 1st serie, with still screwed down jewels (later only the center wheel got a screwed jewel).
The owner of the watch would please forgive me the use of this image here in the forum.
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
Last edited: 7 September, 2012 - 23:25
The good: That my watch has a lot of history behind it and I would probably be stupid to let it go for what was offered to me earlier.
The bad: I probably won't sell it now as I hate the thought of someone buying it for the gold only--instead of its historic beauty-even though it isnt in perfect condition obviously.
thanks to all!
Indeed, there is much to learn on this site, and one of those things relates to your last line "....even though it isnt in perfect condition obviously."
Use the search function to look for "SPA Treatment" or one of my previous posts regarding "The Wizzards of Schaffhausen" to read and understand that you are able to send this family heirloom back to IWC for a SPA refurbishment. It will come back looking and working like new!
Best regards
Mark
Best regards
Mark
Last edited: 16 April, 2013 - 00:36
Very interesting! In the shown IWC-picture you can see a c.77 with the mentioned additional screwed down holes. I must agree that I didn'nt realized that, so thank you for your information!
Hans
Last edited: 26 November, 2012 - 20:28
Dear Hans
The c.77 23p image was a photoshop work done 2002 for a discussion here in the forum (I just checked the date of the saved image on my computer; here it is called "Cal77-23jewels_montage.jpg" it dates from the 3rd july 2002)
The image was copied and copied but people forgot that it is a modified illustration. (The base is a scan of the c.77 in the spare parts catalog)
Sorry an regards
Ralph
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
Last edited: 7 September, 2012 - 23:25