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This ref. 5409 (925 silver) has this diameter and weights 121 gram, without the chain.
The speciality of this watch is the decorated movement C.9827, with stop seconds. All visible screws are blued.
Motivated by the beautiful movement, I decided to take a close up photos of the decoration.
This watch has an uncommon feature. One pusher opens both covers. Pressing the pusher slowly opens the front cover and then the back cover. I have never seen this before.
BTW, some photos to compare the contrast of SIMILI enamel and “ordinary” enamel. To show the difference, I used this ref. 5409 and a ref. 5305 with an imitation enamel dial.
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Exquisit engravings. Thanks for sharing. It is interesting to note that IWC once thought it was a good idea to invest time and effort into a work of art that would be covered most of the time, and for the exclusive pleasure of its owner, when today see-through glass backs are fitted to see much plainer movements. It is also interesting that someone thought that discreet beauty was a good idea, and bought it. How times have changed. I assume the feature that opened the case back with a deeper pressure of the pusher, was to facilitate the opening so the owner could easily share it with good friends, or to impress a lady.
I am not trying to be difficult here, but I just noted that the movement has C. 9820 engraved and you say it is a cal 9827. Is there are a reason for the discrepancy?
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Hi, I think 55mm is quite big.
When you know the size of the movement, this size size is called at IWC "17 lig. H4" (in reality they are 16 3/4 lig. = 37.8mm ) The gap between the movement and the outer size is huge.
I'd call it "imposture", a lot of case with few movement. (sorry) In such a size you could place a 22 lig movement.
But it is a really nice watch and movement. IWC produed no bigger PW movement that time. (1970's or 1980's)
The last 19 lig. movement was built (c52T. S.C.) 1940, the last 18 lig. movement (c67) 1958.
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
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clepsydra Wrote: I am not trying to be difficult here, but I just noted that the movement has C. 9820 engraved and you say it is a cal 9827. Is there are a reason for the discrepancy?
Indeed Antonio I was not sure about the "right" cal. number. But I often take my information from this very interesting article, written by Michael:
2,788 Discussions and CommentsMember since Jan. 5, 2002
Ralph Ehrismann Wrote:Hi, I think 55mm is quite big.
When you know the size of the movement, this size size is called at IWC "17 lig. H4" (in reality they are 16 3/4 lig. = 37.8mm ) The gap between the movement and the outer size is huge.
I'd call it "imposture", a lot of case with few movement. (sorry) In such a size you could place a 22 lig movement.
But it is a really nice watch and movement. IWC produed no bigger PW movement that time. (1970's or 1980's)
The last 19 lig. movement was built (c52T. S.C.) 1940, the last 18 lig. movement (c67) 1958.
Funny, I had the same thoughts, but after verifying some other models in this list:
2,149 Discussions and CommentsMember since March 23, 2001
I said this before but please do not take it as an important notice. I believe that IWC made an attempt during the early 1980-ies, to launch a bunch of newly designed P.W.'s harbouring the very best movements being the end results of a successful century of making P.W.'s. Never used complications were built in by IWC. I love the term " second pocket watch revival", expressed here by me,but this will not be a generally accepted expression, simply because the second pocket watch revival did not bring the wanted revival but more a deception. Offered the exquisite but extremely expensive new pocket watches virtually "Nobody" wanted to spend a year salary for a watch that could be worn only in an old fashioned way : chain and a distinguished 3 part business suit. Pieces that were sold were granted to people who retired The fashion was : flat, more flat and quartz. So the pieces of art were not sold and therefore produced in much lower quantities as predicted before. Now, these exceptional watches appear now and than on the market, almost always in perfect condition. I am a realistic collector and person, I think. I realise that the market for these art objects is limited. But than, for me it just great to see that Heiko Bertram has "saved" again one of these watches. After preaching my piece of mind, back to this fabulous watch. I hhave seen all decorations on the different movements 1975-1990. But this one is unique for this caliber and on none of the others the brand "IWC" is engraved like on this cal.9820. Kind regards, Adrian, (alwaysiwc).
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Hi Hebe, If the cal on this one is a 9820, and the cal on the Jubilee is a 9828, is it safe to assume there are 7 other calibers in between? We all know, the difference between cal 98 and cal 982 is incabloc. Is it safe to assume that the differences between cal 9820s, all the way to cal 9828 are the engravings? And how does the cal 982F in? Or am I looking too deep into the nomenclature? :)
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clepsydra Wrote:Hi Hebe, If the cal on this one is a 9820, and the cal on the Jubilee is a 9828, is it safe to assume there are 7 other calibers in between? We all know, the difference between cal 98 and cal 982 is incabloc. Is it safe to assume that the differences between cal 9820s, all the way to cal 9828 are the engravings? And how does the cal 982F in? Or am I looking too deep into the nomenclature? :)
No validated information about this topic yet, sorry. I hope Michael can help to clarify those questions ?!
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Hi Hebe,
Thanks for showing us such a beauty! A really magnificent PW.
A VERY watch-nerdy question: I notice that the balance is not bi-metallic and cut as used to be the solution to the problem of temperature compensation. Does anyone know how the temperature compensation is achieved in this watch?
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I think it caliber is a "normal" c.9820 +/- the same as the c.982 It has a rich deoration, but I think this is no reason for an onthe caliber number.
First I thought the additional 0 is for the guilded version, instead of the "normal" c.982 nickeled movement. Bu I think the addition 0 is for the stop function. Which does not exist in the c.982. (But I am not shure). Also for the c.972 there is a version c.9720, probably with the same changes.
Cou can also read the c.9820 on the movement.
I once could take pictures from a similar watch, a Ref 5450.
In this watch, there is a c.9821 movement. It has a similar decoration, but on the dial side some features. So c.9820 for the above movement is OK.
(The glass covers over the movement and the dial where removed for the pictures)
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
The speciality of this watch is the decorated movement C.9827, with stop seconds. All visible screws are blued.
Motivated by the beautiful movement, I decided to take a close up photos of the decoration.
This watch has an uncommon feature. One pusher opens both covers. Pressing the pusher slowly opens the front cover and then the back cover. I have never seen this before.
BTW, some photos to compare the contrast of SIMILI enamel and “ordinary” enamel. To show the difference, I used this ref. 5409 and a ref. 5305 with an imitation enamel dial.
Regards
HEBE
It is interesting to note that IWC once thought it was a good idea to invest time and effort into a work of art that would be covered most of the time, and for the exclusive pleasure of its owner, when today see-through glass backs are fitted to see much plainer movements. It is also interesting that someone thought that discreet beauty was a good idea, and bought it.
How times have changed.
I assume the feature that opened the case back with a deeper pressure of the pusher, was to facilitate the opening so the owner could easily share it with good friends, or to impress a lady.
I am not trying to be difficult here, but I just noted that the movement has C. 9820 engraved and you say it is a cal 9827. Is there are a reason for the discrepancy?
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 29 April, 2012 - 20:14
When you know the size of the movement, this size size is called at IWC "17 lig. H4" (in reality they are 16 3/4 lig. = 37.8mm )
The gap between the movement and the outer size is huge.
I'd call it "imposture", a lot of case with few movement. (sorry)
In such a size you could place a 22 lig movement.
But it is a really nice watch and movement.
IWC produed no bigger PW movement that time. (1970's or 1980's)
The last 19 lig. movement was built (c52T. S.C.) 1940,
the last 18 lig. movement (c67) 1958.
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
Last edited: 7 September, 2012 - 23:25
Indeed Antonio I was not sure about the "right" cal. number. But I often take my information from this very interesting article, written by Michael:
http://www.iwcforum.com/Articles/PocketWatches/text.html
A similar discrepancy you can find at the SCARABAEUS, the engraving is C.982 F ?!
But I think Michaels information fits.
Maybe there are still more of those discrepances.
Greetings
Heiko
Funny, I had the same thoughts, but after verifying some other models in this list:
http://www.iwcforum.com/Articles/PocketWatches/text.html
I noticed that some other models have this huge size too ?!
Greetings
Heiko
So the pieces of art were not sold and therefore produced in much lower quantities as predicted before. Now, these exceptional watches appear now and than on the market, almost always in perfect condition. I am a realistic collector and person, I think. I realise that the market for these art objects is limited. But than, for me it just great to see that Heiko Bertram has "saved" again one of these watches. After preaching my piece of mind, back to this fabulous watch. I hhave seen all decorations on the different movements 1975-1990. But this one is unique for this caliber and on none of the others the brand "IWC" is engraved like on this cal.9820.
Kind regards,
Adrian,
(alwaysiwc).
If the cal on this one is a 9820, and the cal on the Jubilee is a 9828, is it safe to assume there are 7 other calibers in between?
We all know, the difference between cal 98 and cal 982 is incabloc.
Is it safe to assume that the differences between cal 9820s, all the way to cal 9828 are the engravings?
And how does the cal 982F in? Or am I looking too deep into the nomenclature? :)
clepsydra
ad fontes...
No validated information about this topic yet, sorry.
I hope Michael can help to clarify those questions ?!
Thanks for showing us such a beauty! A really magnificent PW.
A VERY watch-nerdy question: I notice that the balance is not bi-metallic and cut as used to be the solution to the problem of temperature compensation. Does anyone know how the temperature compensation is achieved in this watch?
Best regards,
Henrik
It has a rich deoration, but I think this is no reason for an onthe caliber number.
First I thought the additional 0 is for the guilded version, instead of the
"normal" c.982 nickeled movement.
Bu I think the addition 0 is for the stop function. Which does not exist in the c.982. (But I am not shure). Also for the c.972 there is a version c.9720, probably with the same changes.
Cou can also read the c.9820 on the movement.
I once could take pictures from a similar watch, a Ref 5450.
In this watch, there is a c.9821 movement. It has a similar decoration, but on the dial side some features. So c.9820 for the above movement is OK.
(The glass covers over the movement and the dial where removed for the pictures)
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
Last edited: 7 September, 2012 - 23:25