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As avid vintage IWC collectors, Heiko Bertram, Hans Goerter and myself consider the fourth quarter of the last century as the era when IWC made its most revolutionary , high tech wristwatches: the Ingenieurs, the Yacht Clubs, the civil and military Ocean Divers. As a matter of fact,until today, IWC was never surpassed sofar by any brand in making the best anti-magnetic military and civil watch, ever produced. About a year ago we published a 2 part article on IWC super anti-magnetic watches in Horological Journal, the independant and official journal of the British Horological Institute (BHI). As the there is no longer an issue concerning the copyright, we are now able to post our data on our Forum (Today Part I). Kind regards, Heiko Bertram, Hans Goerter, Adrian v d Meijden, (alwaysiwc).
Omar Khayyám (Persia XI-XII Century) offered that Time should not only be measured in length but also in width due to the intrinsic difference between a minute or other depending on what is happening to the beholder... I wonder how a watch would look like...
The watch shown in figure 2 is not marked with Paillard's patent but a patent by Heinrich Ostermann and Charles Lacroix a director of the 'Usine Genèvoise de Dégrossissage D’or', a Paillard competitor. None of the watches named, calibre 57, 58 or 52/53 were marked with Paillard's patents.
For details on the the early non magnetic patent markings see;
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cellar Wrote:The watch shown in figure 2 is not marked with Paillard's patent but a patent by Heinrich Ostermann and Charles Lacroix a director of the 'Usine Genèvoise de Dégrossissage D’or', a Paillard competitor. None of the watches named, calibre 57, 58 or 52/53 were marked with Paillard's patents.
For details on the the early non magnetic patent markings see;
Dear Greg, It is an honour for us that you read the article so thoroughly and that you are commenting on IWC's early "antimagnetic" pw movements. It is from you, among others that we have learned to report correctly and after reliable research. The sources we used are the same as you refer to : the books of Meis , Tölke and King and of course your very detailed article of 2006. However, your reported information is so detailed and of course authentic, that we decided to keep the early history on anti-magnetic IWC pw's, short. Firstly, because you had already written your article. Secondly, because these anti-magnetic inventions were not launched by IWC. Although the name of Paillard is mentioned, the legend of fig. 2 says : "IWC, cal. 58, early 'non-magnetic' watch, patent 1888" It does not say : Paillard's Patent. In our article we report : "IWC as well as competitors used balance springs in the cal. 58 Savonette, the Lepine cal. 57 'Americaine' and some of the cal. 52/53 movements. The sources we used for this is particularly your article. However, we are not saying, nor suggesting that these are Paillard Patent's. So, in summary: The name Paillard is only mentioned as an important person for the development of early anti-magnetic PW's, among them IWC. Those who want to know more on this specific topic should read your exellent article.It is very detailed and an important horological document that, we believe should be published in the literature. Kind regards, On behave of the authors, Adrian v d Meijden (alwaysiwc).
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This week part 2 of this article. In part one the principles of magnetism were discussed. Now in the final part 2, we describe how ingeneously IWC succeeded in eliminating one of the basic forces that can disturb the function of a watch : magnetism. The watches envolved were but still are so outstanding that as far as we know their achieved Olympic and World records still stand firmly. Kind regards, Heiko Bertram, Hans Goerter, Adrian v d Meijden, (alwaysiwc).
Really interesting work, congratulations and thanks for posting once again.
Cheers!
Regards,
Jeronimo
Omar Khayyám (Persia XI-XII Century) offered that Time should not only be measured in length but also in width due to the intrinsic difference between a minute or other depending on what is happening to the beholder... I wonder how a watch would look like...
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Thank you very much for the very interesting article. For some reason it doesn't show up on the iPad but I managed to read it anyhow and I am very glad I did!
About a year ago we published a 2 part article on IWC super anti-magnetic watches in Horological Journal, the independant and official journal of the British Horological Institute (BHI). As the there is no longer an issue concerning the copyright, we are now able to post our data on our Forum (Today Part I).
Kind regards,
Heiko Bertram,
Hans Goerter,
Adrian v d Meijden,
(alwaysiwc).
Great source of IWC knowledge.
Thank you very much for posting it.
Regards,
Jeronimo
Omar Khayyám (Persia XI-XII Century) offered that Time should not only be measured in length but also in width due to the intrinsic difference between a minute or other depending on what is happening to the beholder... I wonder how a watch would look like...
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For details on the the early non magnetic patent markings see;
Non Magnetic IWC Watches and Patents
Cheers from the cellar
cellar@gregsteer.net
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Dear Greg,
It is an honour for us that you read the article so thoroughly and that you are commenting on IWC's early "antimagnetic" pw movements.
It is from you, among others that we have learned to report correctly and after reliable research. The sources we used are the same as you refer to : the books of Meis , Tölke and King and of course your very detailed article of 2006. However, your reported information is so detailed and of course authentic, that we decided to keep the early history on anti-magnetic IWC pw's, short. Firstly, because you had already written your article. Secondly, because these anti-magnetic inventions were not launched by IWC.
Although the name of Paillard is mentioned, the legend of fig. 2 says : "IWC, cal. 58, early 'non-magnetic' watch, patent 1888"
It does not say : Paillard's Patent.
In our article we report : "IWC as well as competitors used balance springs in the cal. 58 Savonette, the Lepine cal. 57 'Americaine' and some of the cal. 52/53 movements.
The sources we used for this is particularly your article. However, we are not saying, nor suggesting that these are Paillard Patent's.
So, in summary:
The name Paillard is only mentioned as an important person for the development of early anti-magnetic PW's, among them IWC. Those who want to know more on this specific topic should read your exellent article.It is very detailed and an important horological document that, we believe should be published in the literature.
Kind regards,
On behave of the authors,
Adrian v d Meijden
(alwaysiwc).
Looking forward to part2.
Kind regards
Hajo
Fair Winds and Following Seas
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Best regards,
Jim
"We are the other people, we are the other people...you're the other people too!"
Frank Zappa
Kind regards,
Heiko Bertram,
Hans Goerter,
Adrian v d Meijden,
(alwaysiwc).
Cheers!
Regards,
Jeronimo
Omar Khayyám (Persia XI-XII Century) offered that Time should not only be measured in length but also in width due to the intrinsic difference between a minute or other depending on what is happening to the beholder... I wonder how a watch would look like...
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Kind regards,
Clemens