Tnks Leo for the pics and the infos...I see little room on the main platine available for my project, I really need to study carefully before I make a cathastrophic error :-)
Re Hacking in my opinion everybody is right :-) ... It is right Patek (...it was...) and it is right IWC, Rolex etc. , it depends.... maybe because of the Patek' sophistication they do not stop the balance as it is considered an horological drawback ( still they have introduced the hacking in the 5270 , cfr
the choice to implement or not hacking (the way that it stop the balance) seems more related to the philosophy that drives the intended usage of the watch, either that is the highest end in horological sophistication or instead it is conceived as dependable ''every day'' or sporty usage although high end watch.
HACK is military term for synchronizing several timepieces to a single time source, it is not a common need to all and not many need to be set at second'.
So if it has been now felt a need for the PF5270 (just the hacking need not the way it was acheived) because of the type of the watch then it has been considered already a convenient option by others like IWC, Rolex etc.. it came in general use much later than the military who started to require it in the 40'ies.
It is not a case that some Manufactures generically implemented it after have introduced it into their military products.
Although the tighting of the cannon pinion is a practical resource to acheive the ''poor man hacking'' in my opinion that could be applied to an average watch that can stand ''abuses'' but not certainly to a Patek, with which I would mean that in horology everything is permitted if allows to have constant results through the decades of usage of a watch and tighting the cannon pinion and reversing the motion if done often puts abnormal stress on the escape components, all each of them and to the setting components and that is the reason why the classic Hacking was invented.
All above without entering technical aspects that could bother the readers but very pleased to follow-ups if required.
FYI, I have just been confirmed that the hack system introduced into the PF5270 is the classic brake acting on the balance and not any other exotic method. brgds
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Michael Friedberg Wrote:Hi Leo,
I respect your opinion, and am not personally in a position to disagree. But --with respect--would you not concur that other experts, who are reasonable people, would disagree?
Of course Michael. One of the most enthralling things about watchmaking(also reflected in this Forum) is the vast pool of knowledge held by experts the world over. Each experts opinions,methods and solutions can come from widely differing experiences, maybe a production watchmaker drawing from their companies 100 years of manufacturing evolution or a passionate collector assembling lost information from ancient archives or a watch restorer drawing on their experience acquired on the job. The things they will all have in common are their passion for watches, their thirst for more related knowledge and their love of sharing their knowledge with others. Coming from so many different starting points but with the same objective, they can often arrive at slightly different but equally valid solutions. This is often the best bit, increasing the acquired knowledge of all the community as the differences and similarities are debated and one anothers methods are tried. Vive le Difference,Vive le Passion !!! Leo
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Tnks Leo for the pics and the infos...I see little room on the main platine available for my project, I really need to study carefully before I make a cathastrophic error :-)
Re Hacking in my opinion everybody is right :-) ... It is right Patek (...it was...) and it is right IWC, Rolex etc. , it depends.... maybe because of the Patek' sophistication they do not stop the balance as it is considered an horological drawback ( still they have introduced the hacking in the 5270 , cfr
http://www.watchtime.com/featured/patek-philippe-new-5270/ )
the choice to implement or not hacking (the way that it stop the balance) seems more related to the philosophy that drives the intended usage of the watch, either that is the highest end in horological sophistication or instead it is conceived as dependable ''every day'' or sporty usage although high end watch.
HACK is military term for synchronizing several timepieces to a single time source, it is not a common need to all and not many need to be set at second'.
So if it has been now felt a need for the PF5270 (just the hacking need not the way it was acheived) because of the type of the watch then it has been considered already a convenient option by others like IWC, Rolex etc.. it came in general use much later than the military who started to require it in the 40'ies.
It is not a case that some Manufactures generically implemented it after have introduced it into their military products.
Although the tighting of the cannon pinion is a practical resource to acheive the ''poor man hacking'' in my opinion that could be applied to an average watch that can stand ''abuses'' but not certainly to a Patek, with which I would mean that in horology everything is permitted if allows to have constant results through the decades of usage of a watch and tighting the cannon pinion and reversing the motion if done often puts abnormal stress on the escape components, all each of them and to the setting components and that is the reason why the classic Hacking was invented.
All above without entering technical aspects that could bother the readers but very pleased to follow-ups if required.
brgds
Enzo
Last edited: 30 September, 2012 - 15:38
FYI, I have just been confirmed that the hack system introduced into the PF5270 is the classic brake acting on the balance and not any other exotic method.
brgds
Enzo
Last edited: 2 October, 2012 - 18:13
Of course Michael.
One of the most enthralling things about watchmaking(also reflected in this Forum) is the vast pool of knowledge held by experts the world over. Each experts opinions,methods and solutions can come from widely differing experiences, maybe a production watchmaker drawing from their companies 100 years of manufacturing evolution or a passionate collector assembling lost information from ancient archives or a watch restorer drawing on their experience acquired on the job. The things they will all have in common are their passion for watches, their thirst for more related knowledge and their love of sharing their knowledge with others.
Coming from so many different starting points but with the same objective, they can often arrive at slightly different but equally valid solutions.
This is often the best bit, increasing the acquired knowledge of all the community as the differences and similarities are debated and one anothers methods are tried.
Vive le Difference,Vive le Passion !!!
Leo