This movement is now used in watchmaking classes, as photographed and reported by one forum member who recently attended a class. You can read Sidestreaker's excellent report from Abu Dhabi at http://www.iwc.com/forum/en/discussion/59338/?page=1
But --what is the movement? Can anyone tell me which IWC model (reference) has the exact movement inside of it? It's not the same as a calibre 98 or 982 or 9821 (for example the regulator, the finishing and even the number). I haven't checked, but I don't believe it's in any movement lists published by IWC (although it's made by IWC and I'll bet in internal lists).
1,591 Discussions and CommentsMember since May 16, 2002
A 16 3/4 ligne PW movement. Small seconds only as per ref 5434. Whether the movement is the modern numbering of a four digit calibre series. Might this be the surplus from movements for PW that were never cased due to lack of demand for PW?
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8541 Wrote:Bossman, you got me stumped!
Roberto?
Here I am my friend but without the answer!
Unfortunately, I have no clue :(
For what I see the center wheel bridge has been cut off in some parts to give room to the ratchet and crown wheel, I wonder how thick this movement is.
The shape of the balance bridge really reminds me of something but I couldn't say what it is.
Regarding the reference, I really don't know where to start, but it's fun!
OK --some more. This is "technically" a new movement, used ONLY in IWC's watchmaking promotional classes!
The problem is that weren't enough of the "old" pocket watch movements laying around. Calibre 95x's were first used, then Calibre 98x's. But IWC didn't have an unlimited supply of these and, as you might imagine there's some wear and tear when mangled by "amateur" watchmakers.
Now --IWC did have its Jones movements, a version of the Calibre 98. But those movements were redesigned Cal. 982's that had a three-quarter plate and a special regulator (the Jones arrow). The plate hid the movement and the regulator required more disassembly.
So --IWC redesigned the Jones movement to have separate, and easily accessible bridges. And note the simple regulator --there's not even a Swan's Neck spring to hold it in place.
Bottom line: this is a movement in current "production" but not used in any specific IWC reference. I think that might be a first for IWC. It is truly a "school movement".
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United Arab Emirates
Thanks for the explanation Michael.
Imagine if this is to be made commercially available. It is after all a gorgeous looking movement and provide much visual interest. I'd probably choose this over the current Cal.98XXX!
Vincent --agreed. The one deficit is that the regulator is a bit primitive, but it's still a classic movement. We talked, mostly in jest, that it would be a very cool movement for a collectors' forum watch, but it's not realistic to produce some for such a project.
2,996 Discussions and CommentsMember since April 2, 2011Hong Kong,
Hong Kong
a 'new' movement ! great to know. thanks for sharing Michael.
Regards, Shing | email iwcforme1976 (at) gmail (dot) com time does not change us. it just unfolds us. max frisch. all that really belongs to us is time; even he who has nothing else has that. baltasar gracian.
This movement is now used in watchmaking classes, as photographed and reported by one forum member who recently attended a class. You can read Sidestreaker's excellent report from Abu Dhabi at http://www.iwc.com/forum/en/discussion/59338/?page=1
But --what is the movement? Can anyone tell me which IWC model (reference) has the exact movement inside of it? It's not the same as a calibre 98 or 982 or 9821 (for example the regulator, the finishing and even the number). I haven't checked, but I don't believe it's in any movement lists published by IWC (although it's made by IWC and I'll bet in internal lists).
So --what is this movement?
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 9 November, 2012 - 14:41
Cheers Greg Chalk
Cvanwhite at aol dot com
Last edited: 21 February, 2013 - 13:47
Roberto?
Best regards
Mark
Last edited: 16 April, 2013 - 00:36
Here I am my friend but without the answer!
Unfortunately, I have no clue :(
For what I see the center wheel bridge has been cut off in some parts to give room to the ratchet and crown wheel, I wonder how thick this movement is.
The shape of the balance bridge really reminds me of something but I couldn't say what it is.
Regarding the reference, I really don't know where to start, but it's fun!
Regards,
Roberto
Last edited: 11 January, 2013 - 11:07
The problem is that weren't enough of the "old" pocket watch movements laying around. Calibre 95x's were first used, then Calibre 98x's. But IWC didn't have an unlimited supply of these and, as you might imagine there's some wear and tear when mangled by "amateur" watchmakers.
Now --IWC did have its Jones movements, a version of the Calibre 98. But those movements were redesigned Cal. 982's that had a three-quarter plate and a special regulator (the Jones arrow). The plate hid the movement and the regulator required more disassembly.
So --IWC redesigned the Jones movement to have separate, and easily accessible bridges. And note the simple regulator --there's not even a Swan's Neck spring to hold it in place.
Bottom line: this is a movement in current "production" but not used in any specific IWC reference. I think that might be a first for IWC. It is truly a "school movement".
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 9 November, 2012 - 20:05
The movement to me looks so "IWC" - all the right lines so to speak!
Now I need to sign-up for yet another masterclass - so I can get a closer look at those bridges.
Best regards
Mark
Last edited: 16 April, 2013 - 00:36
Imagine if this is to be made commercially available. It is after all a gorgeous looking movement and provide much visual interest. I'd probably choose this over the current Cal.98XXX!
Vincent Fong
Last edited: 17 January, 2013 - 10:02
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Regards, Shing | email iwcforme1976 (at) gmail (dot) com
time does not change us. it just unfolds us. max frisch.
all that really belongs to us is time; even he who has nothing else has that. baltasar gracian.
Last edited: 8 December, 2012 - 16:07
Regards,
Roberto
Last edited: 11 January, 2013 - 11:07