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Hi Tony, Thanks to you we are able to see cloisonné dials,I guess never posted on this forum before. You are right by concluding that nearly all IWC wrist watches with cloisonné dials had a cal 89 movement : the same as the Mk 11 watches(!) but of course without the soft iron inner case. You are also showing that I was not right in assuming that cloisonné watches were never depicted in catalogues, they were. I learned from Tonny Berteloot that also in Japan cloisonné IWC's were offered, strictly limited to the Japanese market. Kind regards, Adrian, (alwaysiwc).
Tony, that rectangular watch should be a calibre 87, shouldn't it?
Adrian, to my knowledge Tony's page images were not from catalogs, at least printed ones or consumer ones, but were photographed pages with printed information added, and maintained by IWC internally. To my knowledge, I've still not seen any proof that such dials were ever offered in any catalog.
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Michael. A bit of additional rerearch, and I found out that it is a cal. 83 and that the watch actually dated from the 1950s. If it were from 1939, as I wrongly stated, it could be a cal 87 or a cal 86.
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Michael, This image is from Tonny Berteloot. It shows 2 cloisonné rectangular watches exclusively produced for the Japanese market. I am not sure that this was an official catalogue or brochure. But anyhow I believe that few collectors have ever seen these "peculiar" watches. Kind regards, Adrian (alwaysiwc).
clepsydra Wrote:Michael. A bit of additional rerearch, and I found out that it is a cal. 83 and that the watch actually dated from the 1950s. If it were from 1939, as I wrongly stated, it could be a cal 87 or a cal 86.
If it is the same as shown above it has a Cal 87 see
alwaysiwc Wrote:Michael, This image is from Tonny Berteloot. It shows 2 cloisonné rectangular watches exclusively produced for the Japanese market. I am not sure that this was an official catalogue or brochure. But anyhow I believe that few collectors have ever seen these "peculiar" watches. Kind regards, Adrian (alwaysiwc).
The source of the image is page 2 of the following catalogue
Adrian are you sure the watches were "exclusively produced for the Japanese market" or have they only been seen in the Japanese catalogue referred to above?
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cellar Wrote in reply to:Hi Tony
clepsydra Wrote:Michael. A bit of additional rerearch, and I found out that it is a cal. 83 and that the watch actually dated from the 1950s. If it were from 1939, as I wrongly stated, it could be a cal 87 or a cal 86.
If it is the same as shown above it has a Cal 87 see
Hi Greg, You are right, it's always the same watch popping up at Antiquorum with cal 87 no 1086050. I must have transposed a digit. Back to my dementia, to quote Bill. :=)
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Hi Greg, good to see you here! No, of course I have no proof that the watches depicted were meant for the Japanese market only. But on the other hand, I have never seen them in any of the catalogues meant for Europe, America and Australia.. Kind regards to down under, Adrian (alwaysiwc).
Thanks to you we are able to see cloisonné dials,I guess never posted on this forum before. You are right by concluding that nearly all IWC wrist watches with cloisonné dials had a cal 89 movement : the same as the Mk 11 watches(!) but of course without the soft iron inner case.
You are also showing that I was not right in assuming that cloisonné watches were never depicted in catalogues, they were. I learned from Tonny Berteloot that also in Japan cloisonné IWC's were offered, strictly limited to the Japanese market.
Kind regards,
Adrian,
(alwaysiwc).
Fantastic thread guys - thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Best regards
Mark
Last edited: 16 April, 2013 - 00:36
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Adrian, to my knowledge Tony's page images were not from catalogs, at least printed ones or consumer ones, but were photographed pages with printed information added, and maintained by IWC internally. To my knowledge, I've still not seen any proof that such dials were ever offered in any catalog.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 23 November, 2012 - 13:26
A bit of additional rerearch, and I found out that it is a cal. 83 and that the watch actually dated from the 1950s.
If it were from 1939, as I wrongly stated, it could be a cal 87 or a cal 86.
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 23 November, 2012 - 18:49
This image is from Tonny Berteloot.
It shows 2 cloisonné rectangular watches exclusively produced for the Japanese market. I am not sure that this was an official catalogue or brochure. But anyhow I believe that few collectors have ever seen these "peculiar" watches.
Kind regards,
Adrian
(alwaysiwc).
If it is the same as shown above it has a Cal 87 see
http://www.gregsteer.net/IWC/CloisonneDials/Cloisonne_Dials.htm
for details.
Cheers from the cellar
cellar@gregsteer.net
Last edited: 4 January, 2013 - 22:35
The source of the image is page 2 of the following catalogue
http://nakahiro.parfait.ne.jp/catarog/moji/iwc.html
Adrian are you sure the watches were "exclusively produced for the Japanese market" or have they only been seen in the Japanese catalogue referred to above?
Cheers from the cellar
cellar@gregsteer.net
Last edited: 4 January, 2013 - 22:35
Hi Greg,
You are right, it's always the same watch popping up at Antiquorum with cal 87 no 1086050. I must have transposed a digit.
Back to my dementia, to quote Bill. :=)
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 24 November, 2012 - 11:57
Nelson
No, of course I have no proof that the watches depicted were meant for the Japanese market only. But on the other hand, I have never seen them in any of the catalogues meant for Europe, America and Australia..
Kind regards to down under,
Adrian
(alwaysiwc).