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clepsydra Wrote in reply to:
kunisman Wrote:I´m following this thread the same way my wife follows her favorite soap opera...main difference is that I won´t be "brain damaged" (I hope :)) ). Please continue...
Olá Kunisman, Benvindo ao forum. É bom ver mais um fan da IWC em Portugal.
Para dizer a verdade,para mim, já é bom ter um "camarada" Português "maluco" por relógios...tenho sempre a sensação que somos poucos... Abraço
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The first "Beobachtungsuhr" ( wich can be best translated as "Observation Watch", is this Cal.67 watch. made by IWC during W.W. II(1944) for the German Navy , called "Kriegsmarine" or "War Navy". IWC was not the only producer and many famous Swiss brands such as Patek Phlippe, Vacheron Constantin, Ulysse Nardin and several others, made these precision watches. This has been documented in an outstanding way by Konrad Knirim in his book on military watches. As Switzerland remained neutral during the W.W.II, they could offer their watches as a smart business country to both Germany and the allied countries. And so they did! The quality of the watches for the German Navy was determined by German Chronometer Observatories located in Leipzig and Gesundbrunnen , Germany. IWC was rated as class II, being the middle class watches, although many performed as good as the class I watches from Patek and Vacheron Constantin. At a point in time during W.W. II, the German Forces needed more deck watches as the Swiss manufacturers could produce. Than, civilian cal. 67 PW's were allocated to the war equipment and rated as class III Beobachtungsuhren. From 1942 until 1944 3 series of IWC Deck watches were produced, containing 665, 2500 and an unknown amount(not published) of watches, respectively. The first 2 series had an enamel dial, the third series a full luminous soft green dial, by the way not containing Radium-226 or any other radioactive material, but the harmless Zincsulphid. Having researched for 15 years, I have never found a watch from the first series, which has been delivered almost completely in 1942 to Gerl and Schipper, Cologne, Germany. I would be very interested to know , who owns such watch. All Deck watches I have ever encountered are derived from the second and third series. The watch depicted here shows a typical, often seen damage on its enamal dial. It is no crack or hairline but it seems as if a part of the dial is lifted up : between 10 and eleven o'clock. Probably this is caused by moisture. Kind regards, Adrian, (alwaysiwc).
2,149 Discussions and CommentsMember since March 23, 2001
Sorry for a typing error in the B.O.A.C post! Not being a native English speaker I used the word "plain", while it should be of course "plane". In English they sound the same, in Dutch they are very different : lesson 1 in Dutch.( I also learned portguese in this thread) Plain = vlakte Plane = vliegtuig. Hartelijke Groeten, Adrian, (alwaysiwc) = (altijdiwc)
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Catherine, How can I contact you? I've been wanting to talk to you about something else for a while, but my emails don't seem to go thru. Just email me privately, if you will.
kunisman Wrote:I´m following this thread the same way my wife follows her favorite soap opera...main difference is that I won´t be "brain damaged" (I hope :)) ). Please continue...
Olá Kunisman, Benvindo ao forum. É bom ver mais um fan da IWC em Portugal.
Para dizer a verdade,para mim, já é bom ter um "camarada" Português "maluco" por relógios...tenho sempre a sensação que somos poucos... Abraço
Muito boas vindas, Kunisman, áquele que é, provavelmente, o melhor Fórum do Mundo.
Brain damage wouldn't worry me, but there is a certain IWC virus that spreads around pretty quickly, so beware... ;-)
Cheers!
Regards,
Jeronimo
Omar Khayyám (Persia XI-XII Century) offered that Time should not only be measured in length but also in width due to the intrinsic difference between a minute or other depending on what is happening to the beholder... I wonder how a watch would look like...
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alwaysiwc Wrote: (alwaysiwc).[/QUOTE Hi Adrian, here is a former KM 'Beobachtungsuhr', Cal. 67 with box, which as used same application for navigation later in the Bundesmarine, see NSN.
I believe Heiko can show us a BUND ref. 5301, the last IWC TU which was used in the GE Navy.
OMG, here we go again. :)
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Greetings, Martijn
Para dizer a verdade,para mim, já é bom ter um "camarada" Português "maluco" por relógios...tenho sempre a sensação que somos poucos...
Abraço
The first "Beobachtungsuhr" ( wich can be best translated as "Observation Watch", is this Cal.67 watch. made by IWC during W.W. II(1944) for the German Navy , called "Kriegsmarine" or "War Navy". IWC was not the only producer and many famous Swiss brands such as Patek Phlippe, Vacheron Constantin, Ulysse Nardin and several others, made these precision watches. This has been documented in an outstanding way by Konrad Knirim in his book on military watches. As Switzerland remained neutral during the W.W.II, they could offer their watches as a smart business country to both Germany and the allied countries. And so they did! The quality of the watches for the German Navy was determined by German Chronometer Observatories located in Leipzig and Gesundbrunnen , Germany. IWC was rated as class II, being the middle class watches, although many performed as good as the class I watches from Patek and Vacheron Constantin. At a point in time during W.W. II, the German Forces needed more deck watches as the Swiss manufacturers could produce. Than, civilian cal. 67 PW's were allocated to the war equipment and rated as class III Beobachtungsuhren. From 1942 until 1944 3 series of IWC Deck watches were produced, containing 665, 2500 and an unknown amount(not published) of watches, respectively. The first 2 series had an enamel dial, the third series a full luminous soft green dial, by the way not containing Radium-226 or any other radioactive material, but the harmless Zincsulphid. Having researched for 15 years, I have never found a watch from the first series, which has been delivered almost completely in 1942 to Gerl and Schipper, Cologne, Germany. I would be very interested to know , who owns such watch. All Deck watches I have ever encountered are derived from the second and third series. The watch depicted here shows a typical, often seen damage on its enamal dial. It is no crack or hairline but it seems as if a part of the dial is lifted up : between 10 and eleven o'clock. Probably this is caused by moisture.
Kind regards,
Adrian,
(alwaysiwc).
Not being a native English speaker I used the word "plain", while it should be of course "plane". In English they sound the same, in Dutch they are very different : lesson 1 in Dutch.( I also learned portguese in this thread)
Plain = vlakte
Plane = vliegtuig.
Hartelijke Groeten,
Adrian,
(alwaysiwc) = (altijdiwc)
Time is something invented by the Swiss to help sell more watches
How can I contact you? I've been wanting to talk to you about something else for a while, but my emails don't seem to go thru. Just email me privately, if you will.
Nelson (schadenfreude @ verizon.net)
Muito boas vindas, Kunisman, áquele que é, provavelmente, o melhor Fórum do Mundo.
Brain damage wouldn't worry me, but there is a certain IWC virus that spreads around pretty quickly, so beware... ;-)
Cheers!
Regards,
Jeronimo
Omar Khayyám (Persia XI-XII Century) offered that Time should not only be measured in length but also in width due to the intrinsic difference between a minute or other depending on what is happening to the beholder... I wonder how a watch would look like...
Excellent, historic collection!
Kind regards
Hajo
Fair Winds and Following Seas
Last edited: 9 January, 2013 - 09:24
I believe Heiko can show us a BUND ref. 5301, the last IWC TU which was used in the GE Navy.
Kind regards
Hajo
Fair Winds and Following Seas
Last edited: 9 January, 2013 - 09:24