4 Discussions and CommentsMember since Dec. 4, 2012
Hi all
This is my first post here. I have the option of purchasing the following 1909 silver Borgel cased watch. The movement doesn't look like the standard 64 so I was hoping some could shed some light if everything looks as it should and if there is anything to be wary of.
4 Discussions and CommentsMember since Dec. 4, 2012
I am not sure whether no comments is a good or bad thing! To be more specific my main issues for concern are:- Clutch spring is very different from the usual horseshoe style - I recall seeing one other type on a 64 but not like this one. The fixing screws on the transmission and ratchet wheels seem very different to the usual design. The engraving on the balance cock is fancier than the normal type. If any of the experts here can offer me their thoughts it would be most helpful. Thank you in advance
1,931 Discussions and CommentsMember since Aug. 4, 2001
Welcome to the forum, and congratulations for your find. This is indeed a very interesting watch for many reasons, one of them being its connection to the Royal Navy. I am unfortunately not the right person to assist you with your queries, but I hope someone more knowledgeable will.
4 Discussions and CommentsMember since Dec. 4, 2012
Well thanks to a great deal of input from David Boettcher he has confirmed that the movement is totally correct and from period catalogues it would appear that this configuration was produced on the cal.64 up to 1907/8. In fact it is identical to David's own watch dating to 1906. I have received confirmation from the IWC museum that the watch was supplied complete (ie movement and case) to Stauffer in October 1908 making it second in age to David's early watch and a rarity in as much as few are known to have been supplied as movement and case. Interestingly there is no conclusive evidence about dial markings but the feeling from the experts at IWC is they see no reason why Stauffer or anyone else would badge the dials after receipt so there is every chance this was also done by IWC.
2,996 Discussions and CommentsMember since April 2, 2011Hong Kong,
Hong Kong
Beautiful specimen. Thanks for sharing.
Regards, Shing | email iwcforme1976 (at) gmail (dot) com time does not change us. it just unfolds us. max frisch. all that really belongs to us is time; even he who has nothing else has that. baltasar gracian.
This is my first post here.
I have the option of purchasing the following 1909 silver Borgel cased watch.
The movement doesn't look like the standard 64 so I was hoping some could shed some light if everything looks as it should and if there is anything to be wary of.
Thank you in advance for any help
To be more specific my main issues for concern are:-
Clutch spring is very different from the usual horseshoe style - I recall seeing one other type on a 64 but not like this one.
The fixing screws on the transmission and ratchet wheels seem very different to the usual design.
The engraving on the balance cock is fancier than the normal type.
If any of the experts here can offer me their thoughts it would be most helpful.
Thank you in advance
This is indeed a very interesting watch for many reasons, one of them being its connection to the Royal Navy.
I am unfortunately not the right person to assist you with your queries, but I hope someone more knowledgeable will.
clepsydra
ad fontes...
Last edited: 9 December, 2012 - 12:45
In fact it is identical to David's own watch dating to 1906.
I have received confirmation from the IWC museum that the watch was supplied complete (ie movement and case) to Stauffer in October 1908 making it second in age to David's early watch and a rarity in as much as few are known to have been supplied as movement and case.
Interestingly there is no conclusive evidence about dial markings but the feeling from the experts at IWC is they see no reason why Stauffer or anyone else would badge the dials after receipt so there is every chance this was also done by IWC.
Regards, Shing | email iwcforme1976 (at) gmail (dot) com
time does not change us. it just unfolds us. max frisch.
all that really belongs to us is time; even he who has nothing else has that. baltasar gracian.
Slowly, we are recovering more and more information on these fine pieces.
Best regards
Mark
Last edited: 16 April, 2013 - 00:36