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flyrobyfly36 Wrote: That's why I always think the watch itself, not the brand nor the name of the model nor anything else might take my attention away from the intrinsical qualities of the watch.
agreed.
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Alan Ross Wrote:@David, I am not buying the analogies you present. They work both ways. For example, there are certain cars I would not buy no matter how fast they are because I don't like the way they look. Same with an off road vehicle.
Same for watches. If I like the way it looks I'll overlook the antimagnetic shortcomings. And if its ugly ( to my eyes) it could withstand the pull of the North Pole but I won't own it.
Well, Alan - for some people only the look or design matters. For some others, the real values and features matter, too. I am not a person who can afford to buy a new luxury watch any time I'd like or if I get bored looking at the ones I already have, so the consideration of all aspects matters. The watch has to mean something to me, not only look nice. And for most car buyers, I guess the values matter, too.
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flyrobyfly36 Wrote: That's why I always think the watch itself, not the brand nor the name of the model nor anything else might take my attention away from the intrinsical qualities of the watch.
+1
When they announce the year 2013 to be the year of the Ingeniuer I was actually hoping to see some engineering feat in creating more innovations of the movement of the calibers (for the ones within reach for most of us, at least).
I can’t help but to think about other watch making companies like Brequet that has more patents in recent years that demonstrate their exploration in using silicon, for example (and yes, they do have clear back) and in the same time has some amagnetic properties.
However IWC has taken another path by celebrating the world of motorsports in their watch design and using alternative materials in their casing and design. I see more value in appraising the more popular events in our times through their product rather than trying too hard to keep to the original amagnetic specification.
And boy do they look good!
Watches are few things in life that I appreciate the thingness of things...
Anyhow, as I can be considered and belong to a ‘younger’ market and most probably don’t give two hoots about the history of a particular range of a watch, it's justifiable that I’m totally mesmerized by the latest range of Inge. Then again, what do I know anyway...
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Vahalis Wrote:Of course it's marketing and we all fell for it more or less. At least, I did. But, what does Ingenieur mean? IWC answered that question some time ago ;)
Roberto and Shing --I do consider brand when looking at a watch. I think some brands represent quality; I'm not just buying a name.
Regulateur --I didn't know that today's IWC's amagnetic only have half of a Faraday cage, with no soft iron dial. Without further data, to my knowledge that's not true. The new Ingemieur Automatic is resistant to 40,000 A/m, and to my knowledge that's simply impossible is the watch is not protected at all on the front half.
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Michael Friedberg Wrote:Two quick comments:
Roberto and Shing --I do consider brand when looking at a watch. I think some brands represent quality; I'm not just buying a name.
Regulateur --I didn't know that today's IWC's amagnetic only have half of a Faraday cage, with no soft iron dial. Without further data, to my knowledge that's not true. The new Ingemieur Automatic is resistant to 40,000 A/m, and to my knowledge that's simply impossible is the watch is not protected at all on the front half.
Michael, this is the information I got from customer service at IWC one year ago. Some compliacated design features of dials like the sunbeam effect can't be produced (or are very expensive to produce) on dials made out of soft iron, I was told. But maybe that applies only to the pilot's watches and not to the Ingenieur, as I specifically asked why in St.Exupéry Big Pilot or the Spitfire watches the soft iron cage is missing.
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regulateur Wrote in reply to:
Alan Ross Wrote:@David, I am not buying the analogies you present. They work both ways. For example, there are certain cars I would not buy no matter how fast they are because I don't like the way they look. Same with an off road vehicle.
Same for watches. If I like the way it looks I'll overlook the antimagnetic shortcomings. And if its ugly ( to my eyes) it could withstand the pull of the North Pole but I won't own it.
Well, Alan - for some people only the look or design matters. For some others, the real values and features matter, too. I am not a person who can afford to buy a new luxury watch any time I'd like or if I get bored looking at the ones I already have, so the consideration of all aspects matters. The watch has to mean something to me, not only look nice. And for most car buyers, I guess the values matter, too.
Well you certainly twisted that around. LOL I never said I "only" look at the design. To the contrary, I look at all the "real values and features". But the watch still has to look good. I don't know why you assume that I buy a new luxury watch any time I like or get bored with watches I have. This is nonsense.
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Alan Ross Wrote: Well you certainly twisted that around. LOL I never said I "only" look at the design. To the contrary, I look at all the "real values and features". But the watch still has to look good. I don't know why you assume that I buy a new luxury watch any time I like or get bored with watches I have. This is nonsense.
Alan, I did not write specifically about you *LOL*.
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regulateur Wrote: Michael, this is the information I got from customer service at IWC one year ago. Some design features of dials like the sunbeam effect can't be produced on dials made out of soft iron, I was told.
It's obvious your information couldn't then apply to the new Ingenieur automatics, which neither have sunburst dials nor existed a year ago. The watches with sunburst dials, like last year's pilot's chrono. were never presented as being amagnetic nor with Faraday cages. It's true --those dials aren't soft iron-- but there are no half Faraday cages.
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Michael Friedberg Wrote: It's obvious your information couldn't then apply to the new Ingenieur automatics, which neither have sunburst dials nor existed a year ago. The watches with sunburst dials, like last year's pilot's chrono. were never presented as being amagnetic nor with Faraday cages. It's true --those dials aren't soft iron-- but there are no half Faraday cages.
Then you are right, Michael. I thought that the general reason why some pilots watches do not have a faraday cage anymore (the dial not being soft iron) applies to all models in general. So there it seems that I was mistaken. Thank you for the correction.
You come from nothing, you go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!
agreed.
Regards, Shing | email iwcforme1976 (at) gmail (dot) com
time does not change us. it just unfolds us. max frisch.
all that really belongs to us is time; even he who has nothing else has that. baltasar gracian.
Well, Alan - for some people only the look or design matters. For some others, the real values and features matter, too. I am not a person who can afford to buy a new luxury watch any time I'd like or if I get bored looking at the ones I already have, so the consideration of all aspects matters. The watch has to mean something to me, not only look nice. And for most car buyers, I guess the values matter, too.
You come from nothing, you go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!
Last edited: 31 January, 2013 - 15:22
+1
When they announce the year 2013 to be the year of the Ingeniuer I was actually hoping to see some engineering feat in creating more innovations of the movement of the calibers (for the ones within reach for most of us, at least).
I can’t help but to think about other watch making companies like Brequet that has more patents in recent years that demonstrate their exploration in using silicon, for example (and yes, they do have clear back) and in the same time has some amagnetic properties.
However IWC has taken another path by celebrating the world of motorsports in their watch design and using alternative materials in their casing and design. I see more value in appraising the more popular events in our times through their product rather than trying too hard to keep to the original amagnetic specification.
And boy do they look good!
Watches are few things in life that I appreciate the thingness of things...
Anyhow, as I can be considered and belong to a ‘younger’ market and most probably don’t give two hoots about the history of a particular range of a watch, it's justifiable that I’m totally mesmerized by the latest range of Inge. Then again, what do I know anyway...
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Last edited: 29 January, 2013 - 10:14
YES!
Last edited: 1 February, 2013 - 17:28
Great reply Vahalis! Just perfect!
Last edited: 1 February, 2013 - 17:28
Roberto and Shing --I do consider brand when looking at a watch. I think some brands represent quality; I'm not just buying a name.
Regulateur --I didn't know that today's IWC's amagnetic only have half of a Faraday cage, with no soft iron dial. Without further data, to my knowledge that's not true. The new Ingemieur Automatic is resistant to 40,000 A/m, and to my knowledge that's simply impossible is the watch is not protected at all on the front half.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Michael, this is the information I got from customer service at IWC one year ago. Some compliacated design features of dials like the sunbeam effect can't be produced (or are very expensive to produce) on dials made out of soft iron, I was told. But maybe that applies only to the pilot's watches and not to the Ingenieur, as I specifically asked why in St.Exupéry Big Pilot or the Spitfire watches the soft iron cage is missing.
You come from nothing, you go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!
Last edited: 31 January, 2013 - 15:22
Well you certainly twisted that around. LOL
I never said I "only" look at the design. To the contrary, I look at all the "real values and features". But the watch still has to look good.
I don't know why you assume that I buy a new luxury watch any time I like or get bored with watches I have. This is nonsense.
Alan, I did not write specifically about you *LOL*.
You come from nothing, you go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!
Last edited: 31 January, 2013 - 15:22
It's obvious your information couldn't then apply to the new Ingenieur automatics, which neither have sunburst dials nor existed a year ago. The watches with sunburst dials, like last year's pilot's chrono. were never presented as being amagnetic nor with Faraday cages. It's true --those dials aren't soft iron-- but there are no half Faraday cages.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Then you are right, Michael. I thought that the general reason why some pilots watches do not have a faraday cage anymore (the dial not being soft iron) applies to all models in general. So there it seems that I was mistaken. Thank you for the correction.
You come from nothing, you go back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!
Last edited: 31 January, 2013 - 15:22