461 Discussions and CommentsMember since Sept. 7, 2008
It is an interesting issue indeed. There are so many look-a=likes, not only in the watch industry but also in other industries. I am not sure though if it matters.
Just one example: My son, who already owned a Tag Heuer and likes the brand, opted for the 3714 without any hesitation. When one sees the models next to each other, the IWC is more balanced and mature. Sometimes small variations make a huge difference how a watch is perceived. IWC's Portuguese Chrono is incredibly well designed and developed over time.
On one hand I do realize that this is a matter of personal taste and brand preference but one the other hand I also believe brand has certain design subtleties that distinguishes it clearly from others. To me that holds true for the IWC Portugiesers.
670 Discussions and CommentsMember since Sept. 13, 2002
Michael Friedberg Wrote in reply to:
oneredtrim Wrote: They (Heuer) have been useing that case style (or one very very similar) for a good few decades, think they also used an anthracite coloured dial pre the date Schaffhausen ever offered one in thier catalogues (first time round). For a watch that is meant to register...the dial colour is a triumph in forme over function.
I think what you write may be misleading. The numerals, pushers, and 12/6 chrono layout all transcend a case or anthracite dial. I'll leave it to the lawyers applying Swiss law, but in my opinion this is unabashed copying of a "look and feel".
....and i think what you write may be misleading...the numerals, the 12/6 layout, the dial colour and the case forme have all been executed before by Heuer (all very pre the date a port-chrono was dreamt of)...what did we have left...oh yeah....the pushers. It would be very intresting indeed to hear what the Swiss Lawyers have to say.
Hebe --to me that watch is totally different. The style of the Arabics and the clean 6/9 dial layout, with a movement designed fr the 6/9, are needed for the Portuguese "look". Also, scale (size) matters. A 34mm Heuer doesn't look like a 40.9mm IWC.
Also, in the future please avoid links to sellers (one can show just the image if not protected by copyright). Thanks for understanding on that.
Hebe --to me that watch is totally different. The style of the Arabics and the clean 6/9 dial layout, with a movement designed fr the 6/9, are needed for the Portuguese "look". Also, scale (size) matters. A 34mm Heuer doesn't look like a 40.9mm IWC.
Also, in the future please avoid links to sellers (one can show just the image if not protected by copyright). Thanks for understanding on that.
My mistake, sorry Michael. Usually I use only links from my personal server.
Many brands used that case design and pushers from the 50s up to now. It is not an IWC spezific design.
670 Discussions and CommentsMember since Sept. 13, 2002
The case example you highlighted Hebe is unfortunate because the example MF highlighted at the top of the thread is very much of a carerra style (not the best of pic's for illustrating) ...pretty much synon with Heuer, you'd have to be related to Mr. Magoo to confuse it with a port.
I think all design elements have precedents. No one has invented new numbers or pushers. But I think that a watch design is composed on a series of elements, perhaps a few dozen, that are combined together for a particular look. The issue is whether the total combination infringes, rather than any elements.
I recall when IWC first redesigned its pilots watches about 6 years ago. One of the designers told me the prior designs were somewhat generic and used by many companies. One aim was to be more distinctive, but using other accepted characteristics. That's why in part IWC's Marks went from stick hands to blade hands.
Hebe --to me that watch is totally different. The style of the Arabics and the clean 6/9 dial layout, with a movement designed fr the 6/9, are needed for the Portuguese "look". Also, scale (size) matters. A 34mm Heuer doesn't look like a 40.9mm IWC.
Also, in the future please avoid links to sellers (one can show just the image if not protected by copyright). Thanks for understanding on that.
21 Discussions and CommentsMember since Dec. 10, 2012
Yes, I've seen the billboards here in the Middle East for this Tag, with a white face. Reminds me of a Portuguese Automatic more than anything but without the elegance of the hands.
Just one example: My son, who already owned a Tag Heuer and likes the brand, opted for the 3714 without any hesitation. When one sees the models next to each other, the IWC is more balanced and mature. Sometimes small variations make a huge difference how a watch is perceived. IWC's Portuguese Chrono is incredibly well designed and developed over time.
On one hand I do realize that this is a matter of personal taste and brand preference but one the other hand I also believe brand has certain design subtleties that distinguishes it clearly from others. To me that holds true for the IWC Portugiesers.
Just another thought of course...
Thanks for bringing this up, Michael.
Peter
Last edited: 7 February, 2013 - 18:18
It makes the case look bigger as the watch stays comfortable and smaller on the wrist.
Anyway, I've seen a lot of copies of 3714 but nothing compare to its beauty - imo.
Regards,
Roberto
....and i think what you write may be misleading...the numerals, the 12/6 layout, the dial colour and the case forme have all been executed before by Heuer (all very pre the date a port-chrono was dreamt of)...what did we have left...oh yeah....the pushers. It would be very intresting indeed to hear what the Swiss Lawyers have to say.
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Hebe --to me that watch is totally different. The style of the Arabics and the clean 6/9 dial layout, with a movement designed fr the 6/9, are needed for the Portuguese "look". Also, scale (size) matters. A 34mm Heuer doesn't look like a 40.9mm IWC.
Also, in the future please avoid links to sellers (one can show just the image if not protected by copyright). Thanks for understanding on that.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
Last edited: 29 January, 2013 - 12:31
My mistake, sorry Michael. Usually I use only links from my personal server.
Many brands used that case design and pushers from the 50s up to now. It is not an IWC spezific design.
Regards
HEBE
Last edited: 29 January, 2013 - 14:24
what an ugly bulky watch: I agree what a shame..
Greetings, Martijn
I recall when IWC first redesigned its pilots watches about 6 years ago. One of the designers told me the prior designs were somewhat generic and used by many companies. One aim was to be more distinctive, but using other accepted characteristics. That's why in part IWC's Marks went from stick hands to blade hands.
Regards, Michael
mfriedberg@iwcforum.com
I agree with Michael
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