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PN Wrote:Are you sure it is a W at the beginning? Or is it a symbol? Could it be a last name? Both Arrandet and warrandet are last names. Or is that unlikely? It would be interesting if it is an error, like Ralph writes. Thanks for sharing, Peter
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JimmyR Wrote in reply to:
Ralph Ehrismann Wrote:Its a c.23,
But I think it's not necessary to improve auction listings here. regards
Ralph
Strange that Meis has it as a Cal 28-29 á bascule Piliers, one being a savonette and the other a Lépine...Page 44
Jimmy
Yes, Meis shows the movement on the same page, but the "bascule à pilliers" (c.28/29) is shown in the "cataloge page" on the top of that page. They have numbers 10x'xxx for c.28 and 11x'xxx for c.29.
The lower picture has an other "picture agenda", read carfully and compare to the caliber list page 40. It needs some experience to fully understand what is written there.
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Ralph, you are probably right, but how confusing that is written and presented. The picture at the bottom of page 44 is described by fig.17, yet in fig.17 there is no name or Cal. Just the Movement No. 43369 and the above watch is 60263, bringing the numbers 16894 apart. Strange, considering there were only 20000 Seeland Cal´s made. Cal 23 Seeland original 1875 - 1878... (?) ca. 26,001 - 46,000 (alte Numm.) Total Seeland-Kaliber: ca. 20,000
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Ralph, another thing to add to the confusion. Fig.17 in Meis´s book page 44, picture on the bottom of the page, Meis writes D = 40mm, you quoted page 40...The list of the Seeland calibers. Cal.23 has D = 44/7.7 (7.7 being the thickness of the movement, I presume). The only Cal in that list with 40/7,7 being a key wound Boston! Not only is the prog. 'Date Your IWC' wrong, but the Meis Book is also at fault. Time someone wrote a new book on these old Cal´s.
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It is even more confusing when you know that in the inventory of 1875/76 if the bancrupty still over 11'000 of those 20'000 movements where in stock (at least the parts for them) and in addition it seems to be a gap of about close to 6500 movements between 38'500 and 45'000. So most of the Seelands were sold later...if they where really sold.
Actually I think (not really confirmed) the movements where seperated in to the following blocks:
c.24 (18") 25'801 (approx) - 35'000 c.25 20" & c.26 20" (remontoir) 35'001 - 38'500 (40'000) A "new" 19" movement 40'001-45'000 (only 10 built and in the inventory) c.24' (18") 45'001- 45'000
The movements in the 40'000-65'000 (except 45'000-45'800) are different movements (c.18 to c.23) which are most probable no Seeland movements.
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
Strange that Meis has it as a Cal 28-29 á bascule Piliers, one being a savonette and the other a Lépine...Page 44
Jimmy
I don´t think so!
So "WARRANDET" is the name signing for the 14k.
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
Yes, Meis shows the movement on the same page, but the "bascule à pilliers" (c.28/29) is shown in the "cataloge page" on the top of that page. They have numbers 10x'xxx for c.28 and 11x'xxx for c.29.
The lower picture has an other "picture agenda", read carfully and compare to the caliber list page 40. It needs some experience to fully understand what is written there.
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
Last edited: 20 February, 2013 - 19:52
The picture at the bottom of page 44 is described by fig.17, yet in fig.17 there is no name or Cal. Just the Movement No. 43369 and the above watch is 60263, bringing the numbers 16894 apart. Strange, considering there were only 20000 Seeland Cal´s made.
Cal 23 Seeland original 1875 - 1878... (?) ca. 26,001 - 46,000 (alte Numm.) Total Seeland-Kaliber: ca. 20,000
Jimmy
Last edited: 20 February, 2013 - 20:13
The only Cal in that list with 40/7,7 being a key wound Boston!
Not only is the prog. 'Date Your IWC' wrong, but the Meis Book is also at fault.
Time someone wrote a new book on these old Cal´s.
Jimmy
Last edited: 20 February, 2013 - 21:30
So most of the Seelands were sold later...if they where really sold.
Actually I think (not really confirmed) the movements where seperated in to the following blocks:
c.24 (18") 25'801 (approx) - 35'000
c.25 20" & c.26 20" (remontoir) 35'001 - 38'500 (40'000)
A "new" 19" movement 40'001-45'000 (only 10 built and in the inventory)
c.24' (18") 45'001- 45'000
The movements in the 40'000-65'000 (except 45'000-45'800) are different movements (c.18 to c.23) which are most probable no Seeland movements.
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.
A real reason for no more comments in "help me" / "interesting item"
threads here.
Sorry
Ralph
There is no time in the now it's time for a watch.