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Giovanni Luchetti Wrote:Dear Áron,The question is instead very interesting. Effectively there are some Pallweber IIIA in which we have no indication on the dial, all with hour/minutes in English.
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Giovanni Luchetti Wrote in reply to:Giovanni Luchetti Wrote:Dear Áron,The question is instead very interesting. Effectively there are some Pallweber IIIA in which we have no indication on the dial, all with hour/minutes in English. Probably these watches were for British Empire market. We should check in the Archives!In this regard in an old thread of 2007 also involving Thomas Koenig was discussed whether Favre Leuba was, in the 40s and 50s of the twentieth century, movements buyer or distributor IWC (especially for the Indo-Pakistani market).On the net I found now a very interesting Pallweber III marked Favre Leuba & Co. Bombay & Calcutta:The relationship of IWC with Favre Leuba is evidently much older!
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Giovanni Luchetti Wrote:Continuing the discourse on Pallweber I and II, I believe that some observation that comes from experience can be made on the dials. The first characteristic is constituted by the fact that the signature is always placed in the upper part of the dial. This differentiates the Pallweber I and II by successive Pallweber III in which the signature is instead always placed in the lower part: For the most part the signature is in italics and only in rare cases in capitals. The material used is normally (and perhaps exclusively) the porcelain and the dial layout is essential, without floral and decorative additions (on the contrary rather common in the dial layout of Pallweber III) with a few exceptions, perhaps more frequent in the Pallwebers II built more recently, as in the case of nr. 5551 (picture taken from internet):In addition, the languages used, to my knowledge, are relatively few: French, Dutch and English. All the others, as far as I know, will be added later, although I'm not sure for German. More specifically I could advance the supposition that the dials of the first numbers (Pallwebers IA - savonnette) were only in French (see advertisement of IWC and both dials known examples: those recently posted by Michel and me). Also interesting is the large number of dials in Dutch, instead almost entirely disappeared in Pallweber III: For English, the production is directed chiefly to the British market and not yet to the American one.
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Giovanni Luchetti Wrote in reply to:Michael Friedberg Wrote:I also have see IWC Pallwebers with dials in Spanish, Russian, and I believe Chinese. But I don't recall if these were Is, IIs, or IIIs.Yes Michael, but the languages other than French, Dutch and English come later, all in Pallwebers III. Since 1885 are added German (but may already be on dials of Pallwebers I and II), Russian, Spanish, Chinese (in two versions with Arabic numerals and Chinese numerals) and English version for the U.S. market (hours with the plural form instead of singular hour).There is then a dial with horas/minutas:Some consider it a dial in Portuguese, but as far as I know, in Portuguese there should be horas/minutos, exactly as in Spanish. I'm curious to know if someone is able to tell us why minutas! Is it an error or the dial is not original? We can find another explanation?
Michael Friedberg Wrote:I also have see IWC Pallwebers with dials in Spanish, Russian, and I believe Chinese. But I don't recall if these were Is, IIs, or IIIs.
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